Notice to the Toronto Industry

[Ursus]

When I go to 411 and click on thread, my anti-virus software also blocks me and warns me of malware.

Maybe the site is under attack.

 

[escapefromstress]

When I go to 411 and click on thread, my anti-virus software also blocks me and warns me of malware.

Maybe the site is under attack.

I don't understand enough about it to be able to tell what's going on. I saw one post where they blamed it on a redirect they were doing for one of their paid advertisers, then I saw another post that blamed it on malware, then more posts from indignant members who are sure that 'someone is fucking with Chase'. With the amount of serious enemies this guy has in the industry, I'm not surprised that karma has bitten him in the ass.

I'm also being accused of messing with his website. For the record, I have never asked anyone to attack sp411, and anyone who spreads those malicious defamatory rumours will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[escapefromstress]

I forgot to tell you - Chase posted a thread about me the other day, inviting me back to his site and asking me to email him.

So, I sent him an email yesterday expressing my sincere condolences regarding his present situation, but the loser hasn't had the balls to email me back.

Maybe he's thinking carefully before he replies.

 

[Ursus]

Escape,

I don't understand why sex-workers want to participate on review boards. It doesn't help any sex-worker to post on a review board. It fact, all it does is hurt the sex-worker's business. When I see a sex-worker post too frequently on a board, I think she isn't that busy. I also don't like when a sex-worker is argumentative or talks politics on review boards.

The only positive thing a sex-worker can do is post naked pictures of herself for hobbyists to enjoy. That's it.

Not saying you can't post here, but I don't think posting does you any good. Or over at 411 also.

 

[escapefromstress]

Escape,

I don't understand why sex-workers want to participate on review boards. It doesn't help any sex-worker to post on a review board. It fact, all it does is hurt the sex-worker's business. When I see a sex-worker post too frequently on a board, I think she isn't that busy. I also don't like when a sex-worker is argumentative or talks politics on review boards.

The only positive thing a sex-worker can do is post naked pictures of herself for hobbyists to enjoy. That's it.

Not saying you can't post here, but I don't think posting does you any good. Or over at 411 also.

I can't speak for all sex workers, but I can tell you why I participate on the boards.

Working at home as an Independent small business owner, the boards have been a great source of advertising, entertainment and socializing for me.

The first year I worked in the industry was at an Agency. By the time I left that agency, I was afraid for my life because the owner was closely connected to HA. I lived and worked 'under the radar' at home for the next 5 years without having any contact with anyone in the industry except for my clients.

When one of my clients told me he'd read a review about me on perb, I started joining the boards.

Once I realized people liked to read what I wrote, I posted more ... and when I realized I could actually have a national impact on the industry by sharing what I've learned about topics that are relevant to the industry, I posted more again.

Mission accomplished.

But my experience on the boards is unique and I doubt any other sex workers have done the same.

 

[Deleted member 62126]

I've only been on this board for a short while and mostly it's just hobbyists posting reviews. Sometimes, I'll see the occasional worker make a post and although I thought it was strange at first, I don't see any harm in it for them or anyone else. I'm just one guy, but I have no dislike over workers like Escape & Danielle (or others) posting on the boards; adds more perspective from the other side of the hobbyist group and can be refreshing.

 

[escapefromstress]

Ursus and others are right about the way many women behave on review boards though. 99% of the cybercriminals I know are women.

Most SP's hate review boards, and some of them have good reason to. Most of the drama is started by women and they tend to want the men to behave like they're at a tea party rather than a in men's locker room.

That's the real life equivalent of review boards. Men's locker rooms and private clubs. Women need to accept that review boards were created by clients, for clients. Boards can be an asset for the SP's too, but first and foremost, they are for reviewing sex workers.

A lot of SP's hate me because I understand how the boards work. I've been labelled an enemy of sex workers, told that all I'm doing is trying to gain favour with reviewers to boost my career. Well, I'm not a sex worker anymore, yet here I am.

 

[Ursus]

A lot of SP's hate me because I understand how the boards work.

Don't feel bad EFS, all women hate each other. All women talk about their female friends behind their back. That is natural female behaviour.

As a guy, if another guy kept bad-mouthing a male friend, I would ask him to stop and question his motives. Men, generally, don't like gossip and talking shit about other men.

 

[crustyballs]

efs, I'm sorry but I don't know who you are on the other board but further to my post, is there any truth to VC owning that board? Does she really have dozens of fake handles and creates or promotes all the drama there?

I used to like going there but the BS is just too much. Shame because there are some good reviews.

 

[escapefromstress]

efs, I'm sorry but I don't know who you are on the other board but further to my post, is there any truth to VC owning that board? Does she really have dozens of fake handles and creates or promotes all the drama there?

I used to like going there but the BS is just too much. Shame because there are some good reviews.

I'm not on sp***, but I've been watching his website almost every day for the last 3 - 4 years, taking screenshots to preserve the evidence of his crimes. I'll always be grateful to 'Steve' the admin of the old cerf board in BC, for teaching me how to take screenshots.

VC is Madam Peacekeeper (she tripped the detection system again a couple days ago, lol), she's also the Reservations handle who collects money from people for their parties, and I assume she's probably got more handles, but I can't say for sure.

She's also got a very bad rep as a SP who is indiscreet and discusses her clients with other clients. Avoid, avoid, avoid unless you want the whole world knowing your personal business. I wouldn't be surprised if she gives Chase a lot of intel about people he doesn't like too.

She doesn't own the board, Chase does. But they are joined at the hip due to certain legal issues they've been involved with together.

 

[Ursus]

Chase simply runs a board and is a keyboard warrior. He doesn't impact much of anything outside of the online hooker review world.

EFS, don't worry about what other people say about you. They are just words.

Think of the people that Chase adores - Luv, MPK, Mongrel, Conway Stewart etc.

That says it all, right there.

 

[Ursus]

If you want support from the industry, make friends with nice sex-workers, not the asshole ones.

LadyJ, as examples of a nice sex worker. Sunshine is also a very nice lady.

 

[escapefromstress]

Chase simply runs a board and is a keyboard warrior. He doesn't impact much of anything outside of the online hooker review world.

EFS, don't worry about what other people say about you. They are just words.

Think of the people that Chase adores - Luv, MPK, Mongrel, Conway Stewart etc.

That says it all, right there.

I know Chase is a nobody. He's not connected or associated with any organized crime gangs like Ricky Spanish was, unless you count Luv. She sounds quite well connected. I'll bet the Fed's have had her under close surveillance for a long time. I have dozens of screenshots of her making death threats and bragging about her gang connections.

Chase was born into a rich Jewish family. He's bragged about having a rich uncle who's a dentist, and that 750 people came to his bar mitzvah. He's been described as a 'trust fund baby'.

Baby is right. I thought I'd see what he had to say and respond to his challenge to send him an email, which I did. But he didn't have the balls to reply back.

 

[IronHearted]

I know Chase is a nobody. He's not connected or associated with any organized crime gangs like Ricky Spanish was, unless you count Luv. She sounds quite well connected. I'll bet the Fed's have had her under close surveillance for a long time. I have dozens of screenshots of her making death threats and bragging about her gang connections.

Chase was born into a rich Jewish family. He's bragged about having a rich uncle who's a dentist, and that 750 people came to his bar mitzvah. He's been described as a 'trust fund baby'.

Baby is right. I thought I'd see what he had to say and respond to his challenge to send him an email, which I did. But he didn't have the balls to reply back.

And you claim to be a victim of malicious defamation and cyberstalking.

 

[Ursus]

I know Chase is a nobody. He's not connected or associated with any organized crime gangs like Ricky Spanish was, unless you count Luv. She sounds quite well connected. I'll bet the Fed's have had her under close surveillance for a long time. I have dozens of screenshots of her making death threats and bragging about her gang connections.

Chase was born into a rich Jewish family. He's bragged about having a rich uncle who's a dentist, and that 750 people came to his bar mitzvah. He's been described as a 'trust fund baby'.

Baby is right. I thought I'd see what he had to say and respond to his challenge to send him an email, which I did. But he didn't have the balls to reply back.

Luv can talk all she wants, but no woman would have much influence over a criminal gang. Maybe some bikers fuck her, but that is probably it. Luv is just a hooker with a foul mouth and fake tits. She drinks too much and spends all her waking moments under the influence of alcohol. I wouldn't worry about what she says. Luv isn't the poster woman for success in life. No hooker can ever talk down to a regular civilian, for after all, a hooker is just a hooker. She spreads her leg for any man with some 20s in his pocket. Nothing to be respected. Nothing to hate a hooker over, but they should know their standing in society - not anywhere near the top.

If Chase is Jewish, then you can't take him for his word. Jewish people, in general, are not to be trusted. They aren't bad people, but I wouldn't do business with them or make any kind of agreement with them, for they don't honour their word most of the time.

Anyways, Chase is just an internet guy running a website where hookers and clients talk amongst themselves. It isn't important in the scheme of things. Best thing to do is not visit the site and don't worry about what they say.

No hobbyist books or avoids booking a sex-worker because of what is written on a review board.

 

[escapefromstress]

And you claim to be a victim of malicious defamation and cyberstalking.

Hey, is that you I saw on terb this morning?

yes, I am a victim. The difference is, they are breaking the law, I am not. It is not a crime to report a crime.

Are you sure you're really a dude? You post like some of the female cyberbullies I know.

 

[quickdraw]

I am Libertarian, so I don't care about man-made laws. I do what I want.

What a fucking useless comment.
You drink and drive.
You shoot anybody that you want.
You molest little kids.

What a fucking useless comment. I get banned from everywhere because I am a tough guy. Maybe you are just a looser and no one wants to be around you.

 

[Ursus]

Please understand what Libertarian means. It doesn't mean that we wreak havoc and molest little kids. Or that I steal from others or murder people. You surely know that isn't true. Libertarians believe in voluntary cooperation.

As an example, if a hooker wants my money in exchange for sex and I want to pay it to her in exchange for sex, I will have no concern for whether paying for sex is legal or not. As a second example, if a private club only allowed women and excluded men, I wouldn't demand that they allow me to enter, for I would view the establishment as a private entity, and therefore, I would respect the wishes of the owner to allow whomever she wishes to enter.

No Libertarian believes in murdering people or molesting kids.

As for your loser comment, everyone is a winner and everyone is a loser to some degree. We don't continually win or lose in life. Life is a series of ups and downs. The only person's opinion that should matter is your own, not other's and how they view you.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

I can't speak for all sex workers, but I can tell you why I participate on the boards.

And I like to see workers post since I am interested in intelligence, how they talk (well post) and personality more than just a body - although I am a small breast slimmer body fan! More into sensual just sexual.

I just found this forum again doing pre trip research and my love for the nude reverse body rubs of Sauga since I love doing a 10 minute Esalen like routine on an attractive receptive massage gal (I've been prof trained and taught Esalen in couples groups).

But now that incalls are legal and less expensive then outcall and I can start out with massage vs the usual am doing more incalls when in Toronto but still explore massage options. I also seek good deep muscle kneading when I need to be kneaded.

On Chase. Only rarely post on 411 but really like some podcasts especially from the two agency owners. I have mentioned hotpinklady's good points on U.S. boards how this is how it should be in the U.S. vs the "victim industry" we have going after private consenting adults.

I find much of the language on 411 offensive. I am not into name calling (other than our Don the Con!), and what really upsets me is fake e-mails with false info about Fred z. I've been on his boards pre-terb (funny name before as I recall) and have almost 2000 reports on terb mostly my trip reports over the last 10+ years.

I am glad to see this board is so active for massage in Toronto. In the past have had some really good walking on back massage from Asians but place I liked was more "downtown" Sauga but seems to be long gone. I need to check my old reviews on sexworktoronto.com to try and be sure its still not there! I use to enjoy Victoria B.C. but mostly escort incalls when in Saanach as posted on perb. Still have old reviews on sexworkvictoria.com but last was in 2005!

I note many of the Asian reviews here are for far North/east side of Toronto. I always stay in Mississauga or just East of airport usually getting very low rates at nice hotels using Priceline bidding. Am really glad Air Canada Rouge has a direct flight from/to Phoenix at a decent time after American discontinued old American West direct to YYZ.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Gee, no edit button here... more sensual not just sexual should have said and used to being able to edit after post since type faster than brain in engaged.