AMTA email about playing music in your massage room

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Did you see today's email from AMTA about playing music during massage? All I could say was "WTF".

My second thought was how are they going to enforce it?
The other issue is coding of your massage business for credit card processing. if you don't have this email from AMTA, I got the rest of it, I can PM it to you.


Important Articles Coming your Way in Hands On

AMTA has information on two significant business issues that could affect your massage practice. AMTA is unable to provide legal counsel in these matters, but we want you to be aware of these issues to protect your practice. Read more in upcoming issues of Hands On.


How Playing Music May Cost You

An AMTA member was recently advised by the American Society of Composers, Artists and Performers (ASCAP) that he would need to pay an annual fee of nearly $1,000 to continue playing recorded music through his office and massage room speakers.

According to the rules of licensing services like ASCAP, playing recorded music in a massage room requires permission (a license) and a fee, because the music is part of the atmosphere for a business transactionโ€”the massage.

This is a complicated legal issue. AMTA encourages you to visit the websites of the major performance rights/licensing organizations for details on obtaining permission to use music in your practice:

American Society of Composers, Artists and Performers, http://www.ascap.com
Broadcast Music Incorporated, http://www.bmi.com
Society of European Seforum.xxxe Authors and Composers, http://www.sesac.com

Find out more in the Sep/Oct issue of Hands On, http://www.amtamassage.org/member/handsonindex.html.
 


Unfotunately, this isn't new. The ASCAP has been pursuing small businesses in this manner for quite some time.

Several years ago they tried to get $1,000+ out of a local gym owner who was playing CD's in her aerobics classes as well as in the gym when folks were working out. She had a very limited group of CD's that she played as her niche was a Christian gym and she played only Christian music. Much of which she picked up personally from seminars and privately held concerts.

We looked up on the website to see if any of the artists she used were listed and couldn't find any. The last phone call she rec'd she basically told them they would have to prove she was using the artists that they represented. As far as I know that was the last she heard from them.

It scared her to death with multiple threats and phone calls but eventually they stopped harassing her. To me, the whole thing reeked of scam.
 


http://ozro.us/2006/10/07/retail-stores-and-business-use-of-music.aspx

Read through this link.
 


Massage is in the main stream now. Doctors and Dentists subscribe to music broadcasts for this very reason. Maybe its time for MT's to go this route also.

Another option is to get your music from places like Sounds of the Planet. The want you to play their music in your treatment rooms so clients will want to purchase a CD from you.
 


Several years ago, we pastored a very small "home church". We're talking 6-10 people, max, including us (not including our kids)! WE got a similar letter in the mail, referring to worship music. Yeah, like such a tiny church could afford $1000+/year for that, LOL!
 


How funny. My sound guy and I talked about this a while back... frankly, I think it's ridiculous. I love the tack above: "prove it".
 


as the wife of a musician, i understand ascap, bmi & sesac - not to mention, that this is the law. they are protecting the talent and product of their musicians. just like we would protect our employees.
 


makingachange said:
as the wife of a musician, i understand ascap, bmi & sesac - not to mention, that this is the law. they are protecting the talent and product of their musicians. just like we would protect our employees.

ditto... I am the wife of an audio engineer who's done everything from producing to recording to mixing and mastering, etc. We have actually had many talks about what we are going to do regarding this issue when I go into private practice. Either pay the lincensing OR he's going to create the music for me. He was a musician first before becoming the audio techno geek behind the scenes. :D
 


There is plenty of public domain music, for those of us who cannot afford the $1000 fee to play protected music!
 


Rose of Sharon said:
http://ozro.us/2006/10/07/retail-stores-and-business-use-of-music.aspx

Read through this link.

I believe I remember that the information on this page indicates that there is an exemption for those small enough to use "boomboxes" (portable players). Am I correct? In this case, we and many here would fall into the "does not apply" category, I believe.
 


We have a friend/client who is a musician/music.voice teacher. I would like to bring this to her attention and get her take on it. I can TOTALLY understand the viewpoint of those who actually do the work of making the music and producing the recordings. I also understand the point of those who could not afford that $1000/year or whatever.

Might turn out very interesting- dh and I have often mused about making our own music. Maybe this will be the catalyst for it!
 


Rocky Mountain and making a change, thanks for giving us your prospective. I understand the idea of an artist trying to make a living by writing music.
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I agree with Anastasia. I am glad the musician's camp has brought their perspective to the table, but I disagree. Not only have I already paid for the CD, but the musician is basically getting free exposure to people that perhaps would not normally be exposed. Many of my clients say "Who does this music?" and love it so much they go and buy one themselves.
 


shivashiva said:
I agree with Anastasia. I am glad the musician's camp has brought their perspective to the table, but I disagree. Not only have I already paid for the CD, but the musician is basically getting free exposure to people that perhaps would not normally be exposed. Many of my clients say "Who does this music?" and love it so much they go and buy one themselves.

Ditto. I had a few people ask me to write down the name of the CD I was playing and they went and bought it.
 


Anastasia said:
I feel that as long as I am not copying the CD for profit or playing it for profit and the CD is not THE MAIN ATTRACTION, I should be able to use the CD as I see fit.

You may feel that way, but the law states differently. It's not for you to decide.

If music is incidental to your work, then you can do without it.

Or you can buy your music from At Peace Media or one of the other massage-focused producers who permit this kind of use.
 


peacenut said:
Another option is to get your music from places like Sounds of the Planet. The want you to play their music in your treatment rooms so clients will want to purchase a CD from you.
Are you talking about Soundings of the Planet? Dean and Dudley (the founders and main artists of Soundings) are listed as BMI artists.
 


Anastasia said:
I feel that as long as I am not copying the CD for profit or playing it for profit and the CD is not THE MAIN ATTRACTION, I should be able to use the CD as I see fit.

The musicians' association needs to distiguish between different situations and not just try to charge EVERYBODY the same fee which in my opinion is ridiculously high.
Hey, I don't feel like paying a big high fee either (who does?), but if we use their product that they have taken the trouble to protect use rights of, we might be liable for paying them for that use.

BMI does have different rates they charge depending on size and type of business, and frequency of title play in some cases. I didn't check into ASCAP.
 


I think I am going to go ahead and delete my posts about this - ASCAP may be reading this message board. I don't really want them to come after me.
 
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  35. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบOpen Sunday Wonder spa(9421Jane st unit127)โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800.very big boost Joey and Sunny working today,Joey is sexy girl ,she can provide very good massage with sensual touch, nice Sunny can provide deep tissue massage,she got a lot experience,come see them today,welcome to walk in๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ‘™much try๐Ÿท๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  36. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด:[/color] Hot Busty BLONDE Girl today at Alice Spa: ELLA (12pm-9pm): is a small & curvy white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbbJ cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. Alice Spa has DEBIT PAYMENT available now! Plenty of free parking. Front and back entrance. ALICE SPA, 4915 Steeles Ave. E,
  37. xodyhard:
    Anyone know tracy from forever spa,does anyone where she working aside in forever spa?
  38. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธYoYo๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธHellen Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  39. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive
  40. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Jennifer & Mia. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded. Come and give her a try, and youโ€™ll be sure to come back for more. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Suki. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  42. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธTiffanyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘body scrub๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 Nice girl Luna is joining. She can provide a very good massage with sensual touch. She knows how to take direction and please a man. Jessica ๐Ÿ˜˜can provide deep Thai massage. She takes directions very well. She has many assets and knows how to use them. Come see her today.Welcome to walk in or make an appointment at any time. Plenty of parking space at the back door
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALIYA, PREET, KIRAN, ANNA, NISHA, SALMA, SABHA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. Applover:
    This chat is something. So no one believes Markkk
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  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CARA & JOLIE. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  49. hiyamickey:
    Reinella wellness will have 6 girls working, young petite Japanese girl Amanda, Queenie, Lucky, Jenny, Vanessa, Ella @6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey