Hi paul thanks,that was a rushed post,He has a urinary tract infection and a slightly enlarged prostate,his Dr told him today,maybe leave out the abdomen?, he only started the tabs today and the next time he is due for massage is next thursday,he will have finished them by then.bearing in mind that most men over 50 start to get a slight prostate problem,its not that big just bigger,bit akward really cos his need to go to loo outweighs my feed back from him for possible increased urination,still cant win them all eh.