Aromatherapy and IVF

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Hi,

I'm a reflexologist - I know nothing at all about aromatherapy. I have a lady who is about to go for her 6th attempt at IVF therapy. She's having reflexology and is going to stop that during the drug therapy. She wants to know if aromatherapy should be stopped too or can she carry on?

Love

Sulis xx
 
Well obviously she should speak to her aromatherapist first, but I would say that aromatherapy would be a great way for her to relax during what is potentially a very stressful episode. The therapist may recommend that she only has the treatment in the first half of the month, when there is no chance that she could be pregant. As soon as any embryo is introduced back into her body, I think I would steer clear of essential oils.

Lesley
 
Thanks Leslie (I was hoping you'd answer). I've advised her to ask her therapist but I'll tell her what you said.

Love

Sulis xx
 
Why is she stopping the reflexology? A mistake me thinks. I had a client who had it whilst going through the treatment and it helped her enormously. She had two failed attempts but this time she got pregnant. She didn't use it to help her get pregnant as such but to help keep her sane.

I can't think of a better time to have it and would have it myself and recommend it to others.

I also wouldn't stop the aromatherapy. A lot of therapists use a very low percentage blend and there are plenty of oils that are not contraindicated in pregnancy and those that are aren't even proven to be, though after six attempts I can see she would be wary and is wise to be. Aromatherapy won't do her any harm, only good.
 
I understand what you're saying Candie - this is where many reflexologists disaggree. I've done Susanne Enzers maternity reflexology course and in it she advises not to treat during IVF drug therapy.
Here are her reasons - from 'Maternity Reflexology Manual' - 'when the couple is undergoing the IVF program and the woman is taking clomid or some fertility drug OMIT reflexology until her course of drugs is completed. The rationale is that the drugs will make the body produce several ova. A natural therapy such as reflexology will balance the body to produce a single ovum each month and so is not complementary to the drug regime.' I agree with her.

Love

Sulis xx
 
Well she is more of an expert than me so I bow to her knowledge but my client is a good case to prove it wrong!

There are many opinions and especially in complementary therapies. ie massage spreads cancer...

As wonderful and powerful as reflexology is I doubt very much that a treatment once a week could overpower the huge assault of hormones that women take when undergoing IVF treatment. Everything has it's limits. In the same way that reflexology doesn't cause miscarriage it in my opinion won't interfere with the drugs that are pumped into the system.

What it will do is help the client emotionally. Some therapists here would say they give a full treatment and not avoid any areas and that is fine by me. Personally I go gently and quickly over related areas in such a case so I cannot see how a good treatment can affect the IVF treatment.
 
Hi Candie,

I've been thinking about this since my last post and you know, I agree with you. This is something which troubled me when I did the course - everyone agreed with Susannes' point of view and I guess I just went along with what she was saying because of the experience she's had but it's really interesting to hear from a therapist who's had an experience like you've had with your client who had already had 2 failed attempts.

I've treated a couple of ladies as they've prepared for IVF but I've stopped during the IVF because of what I was told on Susanne's course and also because the ladies themselves had heard that reflexology and IVF drug therapy didn't go together - I didn't really want to give them any grounds to 'blame me' if the IVF was unsuccessful.

You've really given me something to think about - if antoher client seems happy to carry on through the drug treatment I think I would give it a go.

Love

Julie xx
 
sulis and candie,

hmmm difficult, isnt it. sulis, i think you will also find that susanne says, she personally doesnt treat but that it was up to each of us to do as we felt was appropriate.

she has a wealth of knowledge and experience and i would go with what she says... but... i am also building up my own experience and knowledge, so i dunno... i agree with candie too! i think the emotional benefits might be of far greater benefit than the possible effect on the clomid taking.

as it happens, there are infertility clinics in london that have reflexologists working there...

as a matter of interest... this client has aroma and reflex each week? why?
 
Sulis, hi again.

Mmmm making you think, got to be a good think eh?

As I said before, this lady obviously has a lot of knowledge and I accept that. However, there are lots of books written on therapies by experienced therapists and I don't always agree with them either. There are lots of teacher teaching lots of things I also don't agree with.

Different strokes for different folks (no pun intended!)

I think the thing to bear in mind is that if somebody is teaching you something they have to be careful as they are responsible and they probably worry about implications.

To put you in the picture I have a clinic and we treat a lot of people with many different health problems. I have also worked with cancer patients so that taught me a lot and I got over the fear thing that way.

I do have a 'safety net' because we have all therapies at our Centre and I have the back-up of other practitioners there, so can ask them stuff when I am worried or unsure. This is a big help to me and I know that a lot of people don't have it.

I don't buy into the contra-indication thing in a big way to be honest. I think a lot of them are based on fear and ignorance and I have treated people with much more serious health conditions so to me somebody having IVF is pretty easy and doesn't faze me.

As I said earlier, the amount of hormones pumped into a woman's body is scarey during IVF. My client talked to me at length about what she had to go through, waking up at 5am as her partner worked shifts, to do the injections and the terrible effect that they had on her moods. It was a very difficult time for her, it is for anybody, but it had failed twice and they feel 'it has to work this time', not only because of the cost, but the effect on them, physically and emotionally.

I could shoot myself in the foot by saying that reflexology won't affect the IVF process coz you could argue that reflexology can't work then? But we know that it does, don't we? We all have to do only what we are comfortable with and I discuss this a lot with my friend who works at a Gentleman's Barbers where she massages lots of big, beefy men. She will turn them away if she thinks massage is contra-indicated, but I personally wouldn't. It's what she is comfortable doing and that's what's important.

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    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  36. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Jessica 155 cm, 90Ibs Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along Sasa Sexy Vietnamese Body Type She is very sweet Provides Excellent Customer Service Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong
  38. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Friday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & LILY. CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. LILY is a slim, elegant and beautiful Vietnamese honey, 5โ€™4โ€ tall with Nice pointy C Cups and a sweet ass.
  39. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: NANA & NAYLA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ NANA is a slim & pretty Chinese lady with liberal services. NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean, cozy environment.
  40. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & KAT. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. KAT is BEAUTIFUL, young & slim with C Cups , a tasty figure & a tasty menu. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  41. ASPA:
    ๐—™๐—ฅ๐—œ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: ๐—”๐—บ๐˜† & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mia & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen, and is open to dfk and cfs.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ EMMA, YOYO & CINDY. EMMA is new today. Very beautiful and nice. YOYO is a very beautiful slim Chinese lady, 165Cms & 116 Lbs with natural D Cups and a very sexy figure. She provides the best versatile PSE services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHERRY, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs with Bounteous D Cups. Real pics, unreal services! BBBJ, shower together, full menu. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  45. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivi,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  46. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Lvy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Tina with big buttocks open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Summer with slime body 30s, pretty GFE Tina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. See You Health Center:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service Barbie Very Young, very Petite Korea Student With Perfect S shape type Spicy Smoking Hot Body โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  49. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Tina๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young girl from Taiwan with a gorgeous face and a tight sexy body. Tina is a pleaser and will pamper you with her sensual massage and very open minded extras. Natural 34C breasts and firm tight bum makes Tina
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