Bill C-36, the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act!

[Holistic.therapy]

Ref: rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/mercedes-allen/2014/06/bill-c-36-protection-communities-and-exploited-persons-act-ove


As per this article, The ban on "common bawdy-houses" is back with the bawdy-house defined " As a place kept or occupied or resorted to by one or more persons, for the for the practice of acts of indecency!"


This targets massage parlours (If sexual services are provided) and strip clubs (If sexual services are provided). Additionally, if a sex worker keeps a separate address to work from, it's considered a bawdy-house. So now by LAW, sex workers can only work from their homes.


Sex workers sometimes share a separate address, or prefer to work in places like massage parlours or strip clubs, so they can work together for mutual safety. Under this law, that's not a legal option!


As a hand job is defined as a sexual service in this Bill-36C, does this mean visiting a massage parlour now amounts to visiting a bawdy house and can lead to criminal prosecution agains a individual??


Need your help to understand this please. Please give your input

 

[Massxprt]

Yes, bill C-36 makes it a serious criminal act to own an MP where something as simple as an HE is going on. In fact the Bill doesn't at all discriminate between FS, masturbation and even a lap dance in a strip club. Once you've crossed the line as a "sexual service" it's all the same.

Add to the fact that a first offence buyer can see a maximum of 18 months in jail 5 years for other variations and demand will fall off a cliff. So yes an MPA can set up on her own, where no children are present, and continue to work if they can find anyone stupid enough to be customers.

Short story: It's over.....I don't care what a few say about continuing behind close doors....it's over. Enjoy the next month or so before the Senate passes it into law but the 100's of MP's will be shutting down by February. Now that the bill has passed 3rd reading the Justice Department has already posted the technical details in fairly simple language. Anyone who thought C-36 would not change or end the business as we know it can find out how wrong they are by visiting that site.

To all those wonderful MPA's who gave all those wonderful times....it's been really fun. We'll miss you and good luck in your future endeavors.

 

[Unregistered]

The bill will become law before December. You can count on it. There are 2 possible outcomes, I think: 1) initial strict enforcement applied to MPs such as those generally known to offer extra menu/services e.g. some Asian MPs
This will result in many, many MP closures. High end, long established MPs that are known to follow strict rules on menu/services such as SRM, HFH etc may survive, but no guarantees, since the MP business is considered illegal under the new law 2) Same old, same old, enforcement leaving most things as is. This is less likely as I understand Peter Mackay considers these things as "gross" and he wants to make sexual services disappear from Canada. Take a look at what happened in Sweden.

In general, most things will likely find a way to go underground. What makes you think MPAs are giving out cell numbers?

 

[Unregistered]

I wouldn't risk a criminal record for a hand job by a naked woman, which is also considered a sexual service by this new Bill 36-C.

 

[Unregistered]

Doesn't matter how strict you think SRM and HFH, et al., are. Any of the activities at any massage place that isn't strictly massage and is sexual in nature is verboten. Under C-36 a happy ending won't necessarily have a happy ending for the customer or spa owner (the MPAs themselves will be immune from prosecution).

 

[Unregistered]

LE is polishing their claws awaiting the passing of the Bill 36-C!!! Intel tells of strict enforcement, soon after the passing of the BILL 36-C!!! This strict enforcement will continue for the first few months, causing most of the massage parlors to go out of business due to lack of revenu! The true legit massage parlors ones will become the new leaders of the business!

So, knowing the above and the consequences, why should I be a willing candidate for a criminal record by frequenting massage parlors after the Bill 36-C pass??

 

[Unregistered]

Now that the bill has passed 3rd reading the Justice Department has already posted the technical details in fairly simple language. Anyone who thought C-36 would not change or end the business as we know it can find out how wrong they are by visiting that site.

The technical paper was posted in July when the bill was introduced, as is common practice. It may have been updated because of the minor amendments.

 

[Unregistered]

The bill will become law before December. You can count on it. There are 2 possible outcomes, I think: 1) initial strict enforcement applied to MPs such as those generally known to offer extra menu/services e.g. some Asian MPs
This will result in many, many MP closures. High end, long established MPs that are known to follow strict rules on menu/services such as SRM, HFH etc may survive, but no guarantees, since the MP business is considered illegal under the new law 2) Same old, same old, enforcement leaving most things as is. This is less likely as I understand Peter Mackay considers these things as "gross" and he wants to make sexual services disappear from Canada. Take a look at what happened in Sweden.

In general, most things will likely find a way to go underground. What makes you think MPAs are giving out cell numbers?

Many MPA's have given me their phone numbers. Many are in denial that anything will change (they're wrong) but they hand them out to regulars "just in case"

I've been to Sweden before and after the same law came into effect there. Everything.....I mean EVERYTHING completely disappeared.

 

[Unregistered]

End of fun

ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/senate-passes-controversial-prostitution-legislation-c-36-1.2087104

 

[Unregistered]

Bill 36-C received the Royal Assent on the 6th Nov, which means PROTECTION OF COMMUNITIES AND EXPLOITED PERSONS ACT becomes law in 30 days!!! :'(

 

[Massxprt]

Bill 36-C received the Royal Assent on the 6th Nov, which means PROTECTION OF COMMUNITIES AND EXPLOITED PERSONS ACT becomes law in 30 days!!! :'(

Indeed it has been fun! Have had such wonderful time and barely two weeks more to go. Remarkable lack of knowledge and concern amongst the MP's and MPA's. Some MPA's know they're "immune" and that's frightening for any remaining patrons. MP owners seem oblivious and yet they are the ones in real danger.

But what will be the real downfall is that virtually all MP's are in leased property. Leases can be broken if illegal behavior is going on. So the places that don't close up for lack of business will get forced out as landlords won't want the legal liability.

 

[one.eyed.jizz.monster]

Indeed it has been fun! Have had such wonderful time and barely two weeks more to go. Remarkable lack of knowledge and concern amongst the MP's and MPA's. Some MPA's know they're "immune" and that's frightening for any remaining patrons. MP owners seem oblivious and yet they are the ones in real danger.

But what will be the real downfall is that virtually all MP's are in leased property. Leases can be broken if illegal behavior is going on. So the places that don't close up for lack of business will get forced out as landlords won't want the legal liability.

Agree with the above post

 

[sobey]

This bill is clearly the work of feminists. They have written the bill such that the sex workers can continue to legally operate in their own homes whilst criminally prosecuting men who try to purchase sex.

 

[Massxprt]

This bill is clearly the work of feminists. They have written the bill such that the sex workers can continue to legally operate in their own homes whilst criminally prosecuting men who try to purchase sex.

It seriously criminalizes the "client"! 18 months in Jail for summary conviction and up to 5 years indictable. It is actually a copy of a law first enacted in Sweden. What struck down the old laws, which were minor offences, was that they didn't protect the sex workers. By making them immune and putting the burden on the Johns, they think it will stand up in the supreme court. I've visited Sweden before and after this law. From a play ground to absolutely nothing!

I'm astonished that some blow it off as unenforceable. What fool with anything in life to protect will risk it? What's more astonishing is that MPA's have no idea it's coming. Even strip clubs since lap dancing is the same as sex under this new law. But what is really scary, and the law makers know this, is that the workers being immune can lure you in all they like. Police show up, they rat you out to protect themselves. That and blackmail.

Yup, it's over. Fun while it lasted....

 

[Holistic.therapy]

Thank you all for your valuable input. I have to agree that this looks like the end of the road
Too much at risk of losing, if get caught literally, with my pants down ROFL
Anyway, I will stay low for a while to see how things are rolling




Ciao




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[hjhound]

Bill C-36 is now law. A big chill is about to hit the business. Hundreds of MPs are going to go out of service, even the licensed ones ... no revenue. This is the desired effect of the Bill. No one is going to risk a jail senetece of six months and a criminal record for a perfectly safe hj delivered by a woman working in the trade voluntarily because she wants to.

Need proof? Go to Wikipedia and look up "Prostitution in Norway" and then "Prostitution in Sweden". Both articles show the MP business severly shrink since they brought in laws like Bill C-36.

The only legal way is for a masseuse to live in the MP and to work alone ... but even then a man commits a criminal act when he pays her for the HJ and could still be sentenced. Selling is legal but buying is not under C-36! Even sex therapy is illegal under C-36. The fun is indeed over!!

 

[hjhound]

The moniker is not what you think. I love fried clams. I like the ones at at Howard Johnsons. When in a new town, I always sniff out the nearset HJ to see if they have fried clams.

But into the real topic: Bill-C36. C-36 makes it illegal to pay for sexual services and things have indeed dried up in Norway and Sweden where similar laws incriminating John's have dried up the business. In protest some prostitutes provided free service for a short time. Look up the wikipedia articles on Prostitution in Norway and Sweden for details and history on what happended.

But hang on, back here in 2007, Justice Howard Chisvin, Ontario Court of Justice, ruled that and MPs "Manual Release" was legal because the "the payment of money was for the full body massage. The act of mastubation was optional, at no additional fee."

Could this be a way for the many MPs in Ontario to stay in operation? All they have to do is say the manual release is free, optional, voluntarily given by the masseuse and that the fee paid is for the massage only. They probably would have to have one fixed price for all massages because different prices for varying states of undress by the massuese and options such as slides could be interpreted as a sexual service.

What do you think? Could this approach work?

 

[hjhound]

Whoa wait a minute! Bill-C36 criminaizes men, but not women, for paying for "sexual services". That means....sex between a married couple is ILLEGAL! Why? Well a man devotes his income to the marriage and supports his wife. Viola! She is paid for sexual service! So hubby is a criminal! The law also implies raising children is proof both of male exploitation of the female spouse and forced sexual service exchanged for money. Hence the population of Canada will go zero.

 

[Massxprt]

The moniker is not what you think. I love fried clams. I like the ones at at Howard Johnsons. When in a new town, I always sniff out the nearset HJ to see if they have fried clams.

But into the real topic: Bill-C36. C-36 makes it illegal to pay for sexual services and things have indeed dried up in Norway and Sweden where similar laws incriminating John's have dried up the business. In protest some prostitutes provided free service for a short time. Look up the wikipedia articles on Prostitution in Norway and Sweden for details and history on what happended.

But hang on, back here in 2007, Justice Howard Chisvin, Ontario Court of Justice, ruled that and MPs "Manual Release" was legal because the "the payment of money was for the full body massage. The act of mastubation was optional, at no additional fee."

Could this be a way for the many MPs in Ontario to stay in operation? All they have to do is say the manual release is free, optional, voluntarily given by the masseuse and that the fee paid is for the massage only. They probably would have to have one fixed price for all massages because different prices for varying states of undress by the massuese and options such as slides could be interpreted as a sexual service.

What do you think? Could this approach work?

Surly there will be a lot of tests of this sort of logic. But do you want to spend hundred's of thousands of dollars and public shame to test the law? Yes, a key aspect of guilt is there must be specific negotiation of money for sec BEFORE the act is delivered. So yes, you could say nothing have something done for you and let money fall on the floor accidentally as you leave. But again....who wants to step up and be the test case for three years to the Supreme court?

 

[pjclamwacker]

Well today marks 30 days from the Royal Assent. Didn't hear anything on the news about the Bill C-36 now being law. They are usually all over this kind of news. So is the fun over starting today? I assume so?