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Hello everyone,

I done a massage course at the Carlton Institute which was a 3 day intensive swedish massage course. I really enjoyed in and for the last 3 months have been giving lots of free massage to family, friends, and friends of friends!

The thing is, I know I need to start charging but I feel really nervous about it, and I don't really know why.
I need to start earning money and have confidence in myself . I completed the course in September, and have probably done about 40 massages since. I have also read up lots and lots on massage and have all the equipment etc.
How can I feel more confident?

Thanks, worried female 27.
 
Hi Sunkiss,
I think this highlights the short sharp workshop training programmes dont fully prepare you for practitioner status. I would definitely get more training before getting out there and charging. As an assessor in this industry I see it too often where an un confident student will give a "wishy washy" massage.
I would visit the GCMT website and check that future training meets the minimum standards. I appreciate you took this training in good faith and are getting some practice but I feel you are devaluing your skills by not charging clients.
Confidence will come when your training is to such a standard that you can give a treatment that will keep the paying clients returning.
This is not meant as a negative post just a constructive route to achieving your goals
best regards
BGFL
 
Glad to hear an assessor voicing up!

Swedish massage is 'wishy washy' isn't it? ( sorry, couldn't resist lol )
 
As I read the post by Sunkiss, I thought it sounded more like she was nervous about actually asking people to start paying up rather than her ability to carry out a good massage.

I think the same applies to anything "practical". Sadly, there are people who think it's great to get something for nothing. They don't think at all about costs/training/equipment involved and they almost think that they are doing YOU a favour.

As an example, I knit/crochet and make a lot of items, many to my own designs. Often people admire them and plead with me to make them one. I will only do that for immediate family now as gifts. I got fed up with saying to people that the yarn alone cost, say ยฃ10 that's without your time. Sometimes people take the hump and will say "oh well, I've seen similar in the shops for ยฃ3."
 
Ah, I have the ITEC diploma and have done half a dozen extra courses but still hate asking for money! I guess (hope!) I'll get used to it...
 
Why do you hate asking for money? My mortgage company and utility suppliers have no problem asking me for money!!

I do appreciate that some therapists do have an issue about money. My attitude is that doing massage is how I earn my living and not earning enough and being unable to pay my bills will be very stressful.
 
Hey Sunkiss, my first thought was - wow trained in massage in 3 days. Although your question wasn't about training. As has already been suggested I think you should try to do some more training. I did a part time ITEC course over 9 months and even when qualified realised I needed more training.

In terms of charging why not try looking in the mirror and get practising saying what your price or even doing a role play with a friend. Unfortunately people don't always value things when they are free.
 
Hi all,
I personally think the issue about charging is directly related to your perceived skill level, in this day and age there "is no such thing as a free luinch". Those getting free massage or treatment do so because they know that whilst you are training, you need some case studies.
However these people will seldom become paying clients, family and friends are not those who will end up paying your mortgage or utility bills.
My point was that after completing a well structured and comprehensive training course, you will be in possession of the necessary marketing and interpersonal skills to ask for money in exchange for your services. It is probably just as uncomfortasble for your "clients" who dont like to address the payment issue.
My opinion still stands that these practical training workshops are fine for continuing professional development but not for initial training. Part of my work on national councils is to map course syllabii to industry standards.
Minimum standards for massage training has risen from 60 contact teaching hours to 80 hours as part of a strategy to bring us in line with other countries standards, it will rise to 120 in the near future. these changes are being implemented to allow training providers to meet these standards over a transitional period.
with the best will in the world, a 3 day workshop will probasbly fall short of 20 hours.
regards
BGFL
 
I don't know! I also hate asking for the money friends owe me.

I have just started practising professionally but I have received a lot of positive feedback from clients so I shouldn't worry about the quality of my massages.
Oh well, I'll get over it! I do have a rent to pay!
 
thank you to everyone who has replied.

I think it is just my confidence that needs building up. It is the fact that I need to start charging that is worrying me. Yes essence99, I know 3 day training is not alot, but the assessors assured me that you are allowed to start charging as long as you pass the 3 tests, which I did, I got top marks in all of them. I have given loads and loads of free massages and I know I should start charging as I am also in severe debt, I just worry about getting one of those not very nice type of clients who starts asking where I trained and having a go about not doing enough training etc.
 
Do you have a second job to help support your expenses, or are you hoping that your massage treatments are going to give you a decent income? If you have a look at the Business & Marketing forum on this site, you will see lots of comments about starting up a business and how problematic it can be. Have you found out how much other therapists in your area are charging?

I did a 2 year part-time course in 1977, and it took me nearly 5 years to go full time and start making a living. I continued to doing my 'day job' to pay the bills, and even after I went full-time doing therapies, I still did temp work if I had a lean month. I have done hundreds of hours of CPD over the years, apart from advanced training.

You also really, really, really must consider further training, sooner rather than later. Did your 3 days include A&P or did you do that separately?
 
hello,jabba i was made redundant from my admin job last month, I live in west London and have been out literally every day trying to find work without luck.

In your opinion which course should I do next then? I havent got the money to do anything too expensive at the moment. I did phone Carlton Institute for advice on charging clients and they were very nice and very helpful and just stressed as I have passed the exam there is not reason why I cannot charge.

What would be great is a salon that could take me on just as an apprentice, i wouldnt mind working for low wage but again, I am yet to find a salon advertising, I guess everyone is struggling in the recession. God, what a mess!
 
To be honest, I don't think many employers would consider you - there are too few positions available 'out there' with very highly qualified therapists competing for them.

What about looking at a local adult further education college, and doing something like Holistic or Complementary Therapy - you would have the opportunity to study other therapies, which would broaded your business base. Courses like these tend to be more affordable than the private schools.

If you are admin trained, then what about signing up with a temp agency? When times have been lean for me over the years I have done all sorts - even cleaning in a stately home!!!
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  32. Newspring@:
    โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅNu spring spa @โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ sexy hot โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅCanadian โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅKorean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐Ÿš—7-15 Karachi dr Markham close Costco plaza
  33. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Susan Colombian girl .she is 5โ€™4โ€ tall, 108 pounds, beautiful curves, exotic eyes, long black hair, bodacious chests Natalie She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl 5โ€™ 2โ€, 100 lbs black Hairโ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  34. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธAkame Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  35. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธBarbie๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sophia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  37. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 girls here today: AMY (11:30am โ€“ 9:00pm is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. KIKI (10am-9pm): A young, short & petite Taiwanese cutie, firm body, 5โ€™2โ€, natural C Cups. Kiki has strong massage skills
  40. See You Health Center:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Naturally very pretty face, โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  41. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Wednesday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. AMORE SPA is a well established holistic spa in Etobicoke with 3 massage rooms & 1 common shower room
  42. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Yuki with tinny body open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Mia 25โ€™s,sweet EFG Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  43. SunriseRH:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: MIMI & YOYO. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ MIMI is a slim and pretty Chinese Attendant with a positive demeanor and a readiness to please. ๐Ÿ’œYOYO๐Ÿ’œ is a young Chinese SUPERSTAR, beautiful face & very sexy petite body, who can satisfy your desires with her incredibly varied talents. SUNRISE SPA
  44. NewOriental:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY , NAYLA & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. VIVIAN is a pretty & very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall,
  45. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  46. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  48. YM203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Persian Turkish girl (Jasmine) in Wednesday Friday Saturday
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCINDY, KIKI & LILY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CARA is a new attractive attendant with a host of skills.
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