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Hello everyone,

I done a massage course at the Carlton Institute which was a 3 day intensive swedish massage course. I really enjoyed in and for the last 3 months have been giving lots of free massage to family, friends, and friends of friends!

The thing is, I know I need to start charging but I feel really nervous about it, and I don't really know why.
I need to start earning money and have confidence in myself . I completed the course in September, and have probably done about 40 massages since. I have also read up lots and lots on massage and have all the equipment etc.
How can I feel more confident?

Thanks, worried female 27.
 
Hi Sunkiss,
I think this highlights the short sharp workshop training programmes dont fully prepare you for practitioner status. I would definitely get more training before getting out there and charging. As an assessor in this industry I see it too often where an un confident student will give a "wishy washy" massage.
I would visit the GCMT website and check that future training meets the minimum standards. I appreciate you took this training in good faith and are getting some practice but I feel you are devaluing your skills by not charging clients.
Confidence will come when your training is to such a standard that you can give a treatment that will keep the paying clients returning.
This is not meant as a negative post just a constructive route to achieving your goals
best regards
BGFL
 
Glad to hear an assessor voicing up!

Swedish massage is 'wishy washy' isn't it? ( sorry, couldn't resist lol )
 
As I read the post by Sunkiss, I thought it sounded more like she was nervous about actually asking people to start paying up rather than her ability to carry out a good massage.

I think the same applies to anything "practical". Sadly, there are people who think it's great to get something for nothing. They don't think at all about costs/training/equipment involved and they almost think that they are doing YOU a favour.

As an example, I knit/crochet and make a lot of items, many to my own designs. Often people admire them and plead with me to make them one. I will only do that for immediate family now as gifts. I got fed up with saying to people that the yarn alone cost, say ยฃ10 that's without your time. Sometimes people take the hump and will say "oh well, I've seen similar in the shops for ยฃ3."
 
Ah, I have the ITEC diploma and have done half a dozen extra courses but still hate asking for money! I guess (hope!) I'll get used to it...
 
Why do you hate asking for money? My mortgage company and utility suppliers have no problem asking me for money!!

I do appreciate that some therapists do have an issue about money. My attitude is that doing massage is how I earn my living and not earning enough and being unable to pay my bills will be very stressful.
 
Hey Sunkiss, my first thought was - wow trained in massage in 3 days. Although your question wasn't about training. As has already been suggested I think you should try to do some more training. I did a part time ITEC course over 9 months and even when qualified realised I needed more training.

In terms of charging why not try looking in the mirror and get practising saying what your price or even doing a role play with a friend. Unfortunately people don't always value things when they are free.
 
Hi all,
I personally think the issue about charging is directly related to your perceived skill level, in this day and age there "is no such thing as a free luinch". Those getting free massage or treatment do so because they know that whilst you are training, you need some case studies.
However these people will seldom become paying clients, family and friends are not those who will end up paying your mortgage or utility bills.
My point was that after completing a well structured and comprehensive training course, you will be in possession of the necessary marketing and interpersonal skills to ask for money in exchange for your services. It is probably just as uncomfortasble for your "clients" who dont like to address the payment issue.
My opinion still stands that these practical training workshops are fine for continuing professional development but not for initial training. Part of my work on national councils is to map course syllabii to industry standards.
Minimum standards for massage training has risen from 60 contact teaching hours to 80 hours as part of a strategy to bring us in line with other countries standards, it will rise to 120 in the near future. these changes are being implemented to allow training providers to meet these standards over a transitional period.
with the best will in the world, a 3 day workshop will probasbly fall short of 20 hours.
regards
BGFL
 
I don't know! I also hate asking for the money friends owe me.

I have just started practising professionally but I have received a lot of positive feedback from clients so I shouldn't worry about the quality of my massages.
Oh well, I'll get over it! I do have a rent to pay!
 
thank you to everyone who has replied.

I think it is just my confidence that needs building up. It is the fact that I need to start charging that is worrying me. Yes essence99, I know 3 day training is not alot, but the assessors assured me that you are allowed to start charging as long as you pass the 3 tests, which I did, I got top marks in all of them. I have given loads and loads of free massages and I know I should start charging as I am also in severe debt, I just worry about getting one of those not very nice type of clients who starts asking where I trained and having a go about not doing enough training etc.
 
Do you have a second job to help support your expenses, or are you hoping that your massage treatments are going to give you a decent income? If you have a look at the Business & Marketing forum on this site, you will see lots of comments about starting up a business and how problematic it can be. Have you found out how much other therapists in your area are charging?

I did a 2 year part-time course in 1977, and it took me nearly 5 years to go full time and start making a living. I continued to doing my 'day job' to pay the bills, and even after I went full-time doing therapies, I still did temp work if I had a lean month. I have done hundreds of hours of CPD over the years, apart from advanced training.

You also really, really, really must consider further training, sooner rather than later. Did your 3 days include A&P or did you do that separately?
 
hello,jabba i was made redundant from my admin job last month, I live in west London and have been out literally every day trying to find work without luck.

In your opinion which course should I do next then? I havent got the money to do anything too expensive at the moment. I did phone Carlton Institute for advice on charging clients and they were very nice and very helpful and just stressed as I have passed the exam there is not reason why I cannot charge.

What would be great is a salon that could take me on just as an apprentice, i wouldnt mind working for low wage but again, I am yet to find a salon advertising, I guess everyone is struggling in the recession. God, what a mess!
 
To be honest, I don't think many employers would consider you - there are too few positions available 'out there' with very highly qualified therapists competing for them.

What about looking at a local adult further education college, and doing something like Holistic or Complementary Therapy - you would have the opportunity to study other therapies, which would broaded your business base. Courses like these tend to be more affordable than the private schools.

If you are admin trained, then what about signing up with a temp agency? When times have been lean for me over the years I have done all sorts - even cleaning in a stately home!!!
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower body scrub Sea Salt Bath๐Ÿ‘every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Nice girl Mia โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 36 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, back walking has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will b
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  39. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair young beautiful Lucy,friendly smile,back walk,strong to relax oil amazing ending๏ผŒrelief your stress,must try๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜
  40. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทElena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Yuki 24, Korean Slim , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  41. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  42. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: JOJO (12pm-9pm): is a busty JAPANESE girl, magnificent DD Cup boobs, short, petite small body, pretty face AV Star, bbbj cim cof rim, special services available. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business. Very friendly
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beaut
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  45. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  46. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Taiwanese Victoria slime open mind and young flirty Tina with sexy body open mind, sexy Coco and Cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
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