depression and TMJ

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I have a loved one who is suffering severe chronic depression, as well as TMJ syndrome and teeth grinding.
I've been exploring craniosacral and think this would be a wonderful addition to the usual treatments. (currently on medication as well as undergoing talk therapy).
I would like to hear other ideas as well. Have you experienced a particularly effective modality for depression and TMJ? What route would you try if this were your client or yourself?
 


Mindful exercise, such as a dynamic form of yoga that includes lots of breath training. Dynamic to get some aerobic benefit and increase endorphin levels. Yoga to emphasize body mechanics and self-awareness, the whole being integrating to achieve good form. Breath training to overcome the poor breathing habits that are endemic to those who have TMJ, clenching, bruxism, breath holding under stress, anxiety disorders, etc. Better breathing permits release of excess tension, allowing greater ease of movement, more flexibility and strength, and greater endurance for continuing practice.

Other stuff can work too, but that's my suggestion. Get this person into a class 2+ times per week, and encourage them to practice daily. I've seen dramatic personal and physical changes in just 2-4 months of this.
 


Mindful exercise, such as a dynamic form of yoga that includes lots of breath training.

Thanks Jason! Oh I am ALL ABOUT yoga!!! I will definately pass this info along.
 


(I sent this message to stonegirl based on a PM conversation we are having. It is a response I wrote to her and I did get her OK to post my reply here for others to learn from.)

The 10-step protocol is excellent for whole body balancing.

Not sure how in depth your training was, but in CSTI we talk about the 'Triad of Compression / Depression'. We find this occurs when three key points of the craniosacral system are all compressed. The three areas are L5-S1, the occipital cranial base, and the spheno-basilar joint. Sometimes when these three areas are compressed we find Idiopathic Endogenous Depression. In some situations compression of one or two of these areas can cause slight depression as well.

Because these are three key areas of the system, compression in these areas can tighten down the system; much like wearing t-shirt that is one or two sizes too small. This effects movement within the system, fluid exchange, and chemical/hormonal balances in the body. Remember that the pituitary gland sits within the body of the sphenoid. So imbalance in the system can have a significant effect on pituitary function.

If you do work on him, even if you do not do a full 10-step, I would do at least the following:
Pelvic Diaphragm release
L5-S1 decompression
ASIS medial compression
Dural tube traction from the sacrum
Thoracic Diaphragm release
Hyoid release
Occipital Cranial Base release (all 4 steps)
Sphenoid compression/decompression

If you have time remaining I'd work other cranial bones. Especially the temporals and mandible considering he has TMJ syndrome and is grinding.

Don't get me wrong, a full 10-step is great. But definitely spend a little more time evaluating/treating these specific areas.

When working, remember to stay light and stay neutral. Allow his body to do the work and show you what needs to be done. At some point you may want to consider having him get a session from an advanced trained therapist who does mouthwork. A compressed vomer has a huge impact on proper sphenoid motion and any hard palate issues can effect the TMJ.

I hope this helps a little bit. If you have any specific questions about techniques or what you are finding in treatment, I'd be glad to answer as best I can.

Good luck!
 


just an update : I have been doing some of the CST tips that Brian has helped me with - and for the first time in my massage career I'm really feeling it - SO COOL!! It is definately helping him relax.
Also - for the TMJ I've started working his masseter - with one hand inside his mouth - I had never done work like this before but let me tell you it is amazing. It's been wonderful for relieving those clenched jaws!!
 


I have a good section on it on my website with links to online articles by many different massage therapists

http://thebodyworker.com/massage-tmj-syndrome.htm

Julie
 


http://www.amazon.com/Balanced-Body-Tissue-Neuromuscular-Therapy/dp/0781735750

This is the book we were issued for Neuromuscular massage in school. I really enjoyed reading the case studies accompanying each Tx. There is a good case study on TMJ. I use some of these techniques and they are very effective.
 
depression and TMJ

I realize this reply is a year or so late, but when I saw it, I just wanted to add my experience. About five years ago, I was severely depressed and was suffering from terrible TMJD. I experienced periodic numbness in my arms, hands, and upper back, as well as headaches and neck pain. The depression preexisted the TMJD, but everything got worse with the pain. I had been to specialists, therapy, slept with an expensive mouthgaurd (which I gnawed in my sleep, cracking it), and still didn't find any relief. I could go on, but I'll just say I was miserable.

Anyway, I saw a friend for an hour of trigger point therapy, and towards the end of the session she somewhat hesitantly asked me if I was up for her to address some trigger points inside my mouth (she warned me it could be quite painful). At that point, it seemed worth a shot.

It was beyond excruciating that first time, but after a few minutes, she was done and everything had changed. Before I was off the table I was marvelling at how much relieving the pain had changed my outlook. Ten minutes later, I began working out plans to go to massage school (which had never been of interest before). I remained free of jaw pain for 9 days, at which point I had a follow up treatment, and then weekly for a couple of months. Five years later, no jaw pain and a career I'm still passionate about. (The few times I have experienced jaw tension from teeth grinding since, I've self treated inside my mouth and eliminated the discomfort.)

In clinic, during school, I had a client with bad TMJD, and he also experienced tremendous relief from trigger point work inside his mouth (of course supervised by my instructor who I had practiced on already). Also, I've used reiki on clients where inside the mouth work wasn't appropriate, or when we just needed a less invasive approach.

That turned out to be a longer post than I had intended, but, if your loved one still has jaw pain, it's definitely worth a shot to go at the trigger points. If your loved one is not still in pain, even better. :)
 
depression and TMJ

Rather than work inside the mouth, I have had success using positional release techniques for the pterygoids. Little to no client discomfort, and I can blend it into a massage without taking time for gloves. :D
 
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    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A talented and graceful new massage girl from Taiwan, offering a trul
  36. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, NISHA, NINA, AMANDA, MEERA, ANGELINA, PAYAL PEARL, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  37. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWeclome to wonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)Rmt available on Wednesday,nice sexy big boots Joey ,new young girl Tiffany,very friendly very good looking Lucy on the duty, they all can provide excellent massage and nice touch ,body slide, make you really comfortable,must come to tryโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800 ๐Ÿท๐Ÿท
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  41. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  42. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CARA, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly with a host of services. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  44. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Wednesday at AMORE SPA: [/color ANGELA & CHERRY. ANGELA (*New Today) CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. AMORE SPA is a well established holistic spa
  45. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Angela & Noor are here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  46. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  47. See You Health Center:
    Barbie Very Young, very Petite Korea Student With Perfect S shape type Spicy Smoking Hot Body Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  48. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natural D cup Boobs Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Yuki slime 30โ€™s open mind and young sweet Mia 25โ€™s, cute GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Nayla & Vivian are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
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