dumb idea to lease?

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i found a nice office space to rent. month to month, $500/500sft, all inclusive.

is it really stupid of me to consider this? i graduated 2 years ago..havent worked for anyone (at massage), only work on family and friends..

i have 2 other therapist friends who would pay me to use the office space, but they too are new and have few clients.

do you think we could get enough clients to cover the rent? or have i left the planet...feel free to jump all over this one :lol:
 


$500 for a month, would be $115 per week, if you can split it evenly 3 ways you're up for a bit less than $40 each per week. If you can get one client each per week you can cover the rent.

Can you make your business visible? Is it in a reasonable location? If it's on the top floor of a 3 storey walk up with people sleeping in the doorway of the building and it looks like a battle zone outside, it's probably not the best location. If people are standing it the street muttering "I need a massage now and there isn't a massage therapist for 100miles" it's probably a great location.

Would you all be prepared to contribute to the effort of setting it up? Would you all be comfortable committing to the first massage each week is for rent/bills?
 


$1 per square foot, all inclusive isn't a bad deal. Depending on how it looks, where it's located and what your landlord is like, along with if you and the friends can afford it - I'd put it in the consideration box. :)
 


The thing that jumped out at me most about this question was the negativity. It starts in the subject and then continues through the entire message.

I do think the rent sounds like a very reasonable amount. As others have indicated, you need to consider the location, but I think the biggest thing you need to consider is your attitude going into it. It appears to me that you are already setting yourself up for failure. It seems that you have decided that it's a stupid idea because you and your friends aren't experienced with a lot of clients. This way of looking at things is sure to set you up for failure, no matter how perfect the location, the amount of rent and also your skills. You have already decided it's not going to work.

Now that you have seen a few responses that it's a reasonable rent, I would be asking a few more questions:

* Do you REALLY want your own office, and if so, WHY?
* How successful do you want this business to be?
* How are you going to achieve these goals?
* What marketing techniques are you going to employ?
* Are you willing to put the work into it?
* Are you in a financial position to be able to ride the highs and lows of the business?
* Can you withstand the slow times when you are just starting out?
* Have you considered all the negatives that go along with having your own office and are you truly willing to do what's necessary?
* Does your town have any restrictions, registrations, etc. that you will need to adhere to?

I know from experience that it's absolutely possible to open an office with few or no clients and still be successful, even if you don't have the most ideal of locations. Yes, there is reason to be nervous and maybe a little apprehensive. No doubt about it, it is a big step. I think the most important key is to start with a POSITIVE attitude and be asking the right questions.

If you ask "Is this a stupid idea?", you must already think that it is and people might very well think so too. "Is this a good idea?" is a better question.

Saying you and your friends don't have many clients, is certainly stating the facts, but you need to follow it up with something positive about how you will be attracting new clients.

I think there are two possible reasons for the negativity: the first is that this might be the way you approach many things in life and the second is that you might already know in your heart that this isn't a good idea for you and it may not have anything to do with the amount of the rent. Only you can examine yourself and truly come up with the answer.

Good luck. The board is filled with tons of ideas for getting started. Keep in mind that not all marketing efforts will work the same for everyone. A lot depends on what you are comfortable with, what type of clientele you are seeking, the kind of area your practice is in and the time of year.

It IS possible to be successful. It IS very rewarding. You can do it if you want to. Be careful in your planning. Be realistic in your goals. Be enthusiastic with your effort.
 


kneadedmassage's post is perfect. can't be stated any better!

my vote is give it a whirl! (as long as you've got good answers to/for the above questions)
 


i appreciate your candid replies as well as the discussion on possible causes for my negativity.

i am actually really excited this opportunity presented itself, but i also feel afraid to go for it. i have been planning for my own office for about a year. i have a business name, cards, brochures and am brimming with marketing ideas..as i stated, i do lack money and clients.

i have a full time job. the massage work is planned to be part time work in afternoon, evening and weekends. due to my financial situation, i am unable to leave my full time job, although the future plan is to work part-time at both jobs.

having no clients and no back-up money was deemed a failure waiting to happen in the opinions of others i had asked. i've read a few books on start-up business and had some help from a coach through SCORE.org. these people feel it is important to have a solid business plan in writing (mine is only half done), 3-6 months back up income and at least a few clients. their opinions were more in line with some posts in other topics that the best way to start would be to sub-lease a space, build some cliente and experience and then have my own office. this does make sense to me too.

however, i feel ready for my own office...i am confident in my ablities, but this doesnt mean clients will be showing up week after week, or even once, and that's the part that is holding me back.....knowing that others have succeeded in a similar situation is helping me decide to take the step and not be aftaid to try it. i needed to hear if experienced therapists thought this could work or not. all your opinions matter to me. i've learned so here.

thanks.
 


That is so good to hear that you've been planning this for so long. I think I understand where the negativity is coming from.....fear that other people have planted in your head.

When you are doing this part time, you will still be working at your other job the same amount of hours you are doing now? And bringing in the same income? IF you can handle that amount of physical work, then, really all you have to do to start is to have enough clients to make your rent. If you do share the space with the others, this shouldn't be too difficult. I would be making sure they are committed to this journey and that they have a way of making their rent, should they not have the clients for some reason.

Certainly, another option is to sub-lease from someone else. It might be less expensive for you.

I have a friend who rented an office. This was what she wanted, and had goals to move into a bigger space within 6 months. She still needed to be working her other job to make it a go though. Problem was, she didn't really have the time committment to make this office work. I think she eventually realized that and gave the office up.

I think the questions now are:

* Are you committed to making this work?
* Are you willing to make the time to do what's necessary?
* Do you have the physical and emotional stamina to do a good job at both?

When you are figuring the amount of time you have and the time you will be massaging, I think you need to have double that amount of hours available to devote to the business. For instance, if you have time to do eight 1 hour massages a week, you need to have at least 16 free hours to devote to your business. You need this time to include the basics of set-up, sheet washing, and paperwork, but also marketing. It would be my suggestion that in the beginning, you devote all the free time to marketing. Example: you have looked at your schedule and have decided that for now you have 8 hours available to massage clients, so you are going to devote 16 hours to your business. But let's say you only have 2 one hour clients for the week. You need to devote the other 14 hours of allotted massage business time to actually doing massage business.

It's a big decision and you need to make the decision you are comfortable with. Only you know the risk that you will be comfortable with and the drive you have and the committment to making it work.
 
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    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 girls here today: Some girls today have special service. Inquire with the ladies. ELLA : is a small & curvy white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbbJ cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. KIKI: A young, short & petite Taiwanese cutie, firm body, 5โ€™2โ€, natural C Cups.
  38. New Oriental Health Centre:
    โค๏ธ Happy, Nayla & Vivian are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  39. Sunrise Health Centre:
    Tiana is here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  40. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  42. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธJenny๐ŸŒธAkame Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  43. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Wednesday at AMORE SPA: ALI, CHERRY & LINDA. ALI (*New Today) is a slim & attractive White/Hispanic mix, whti a great body & sweet services. CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary.
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธMaria๐ŸŒธTinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  45. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  46. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beauti
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCINDY, KIKI & LILY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young Yuki slime 30โ€™s open mind with big buttocks and young Cute Mia 25โ€™s , pretty GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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