His feet have hurt for 10 years!

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Could use fresh eyes on this patient, who I've seen 4 times in 3 weeks for foot pain when walking:

67-year-old man, retired, general good health and good humor. Hx of plantar and dorsal surface foot pain, R>L, x10 years. Pain worst after resting - feet feel "stiff," better after a little movement. Every step hurts, R>L. R knee surgery 15 yrs ago, L knee 6 yrs ago (both scoped, he doesn't remember exact problem, descrip of pain sounds like meniscus tear/repair). Scheduled for BL knee repeats this year, similar pain to before. L knee pain incr. w/activity; R knee P incr. w/fatigue (worst at night, wakes w/pain when one sleep position held too long and hard to get back to sleep). No hx of back pain, headaches, serious falls, or MVA. Was a runner for 15 years; stopped about 10 years ago. Walks 2-3 miles/day now. No use of pain relievers at this time. Self-referred.

reviews his toes feel "stiff" at all times, x10 years. Cannot actively plantarflex small toes BL at all - plantar flexion of BL big toes v. v. limited at MTP joints R>L. Passive plantarflex of toes at MTP joints produces mod. pain in MTP joints and sensation of "about to cramp" in med. arch. Gentle squeeze to toe tips produces pain. Has not been evaluated for arthritis in feet/toes (recommended).

Let's see, what else . . . high medial arches BL, w/pronounced visible "bump" at medial/intermediate cuneiform bones BL. Lots of tenderness and almost impenetrable stiffness/adhesion along BL tibs anterior and peroneals (esp. belly of brevis), right markedly more "brittle"-feeling than left. BL ankle ROM v. limited in all ranges, esp. pronation. Hx of youthful R ankle sprain (lat side). Gait looks as though his torso is pitched slightly forward and using rect.abd. to lift ant. pelvis upward w/each step; limited arm swing; normal gait speed. Stands comfortably straight - gait pitch/pelvis lift may be due to the fact that all 8 of his small toes are essentially unavailable due to rigidity?

I've seen him for 4 sessions and he's coming in for at least a fifth. His chief concern when he began tx was the foot/heel pain. Now he is experiencing relief of pain and even periods of respite, and his chief concern is the toe stiffness, which he feels as "super tightness" on distal dorsal surface of feet BL. Since I'm not sure what is chicken and what is egg here (which problem came first, the pelvis or the knees or the toes or the arches?), we are treating globally, but with lots of work on feet and lower legs to free up this really amazingly adhered, crispy soft tissue. Passive stretching of feet produces breathe-through-it pain, and has been assigned as homework (I don't think he's doing it).

Please tell me your thoughts on eval and/or treatment! What am I missing? Where can I shift our focus for quicker, more lasting results? What have you done for people in similar situations? I feel like tx is going well but I want to give him the very best.
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

For Plantar Fasciitis I will not only do very specific deep tissue work on lower leg and foot (myofascial release, trigger points, slow stripping),
I will do quite a bit of stretching.
If you have Mattes's Active Isolated Stretching there are several good stretches there - including those for toes.
For stiff toes I spend a lot of time and work individually...then follow up into foot and leg...if you work at it you can regain some movement.

I give client "homework" of stretches and some self-massage work on foot with a rubber ball (my chiro recommends a golf ball, one client would freeze a water bottle and do an ice massage)

Even though you do not have this diagnosis for client (plantar fasciitis), your description is consistent with clients I have treated with this condition. If this sounds like a possibility do a search here - I am sure you will find much more thorough discussion.

Arthritis...meh...you must have missed my post on my least favorite diagnosis of arthritis :D .
Even if he did have that dx - what difference would it make in your treatment as a massage therapist?
If there is no acute joint inflammation you are good to treat.
At his age I would imagine there is some osteo arthritis somewhere and if he had rheumatoid arth. he would have already been diagnosed.
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

You've probably already checked this out, but here are a few thoughts on areas to work:
TFL and medial quads- could be pulling all the way through to the foot if they are tight.
Abdominals- as a runner/walker these mm could also be pulling up on the mm all the way down to the feet.
ITB and the vastus lateralus- common for TRps here to refer into the knee
The whole fascial sheath just below the knee. You can try this on yourself and feel how it affects the foot. Gently wrap your hands around your leg just below/distal to the knee and let the fascia slowly melt in a distal direction.

Sounds like a very interesting case. I'd be curious to hear updates. Good luck.
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

My first priority would be hip flexors, hamstrings, soleus, and gastrocnemius, with second priority his dorsal interossei and plantar lumbricals, third priority everything else. His background is indicative of hypertonic hip flexors, which would tend to lead to inhibited glutes and compensatory hamstring tightness. With the glutes inhibited, his calves would be overactive during running, and knee problems would aggravate them further. His chronicly tight tibialis anterior and inhibited plantar flexors also support the possibility of chronicly tight calves.

With his posterior chain chronically tight/sore, his gait would tend to become forward-leaning. This would place a major load on soleus. With the plantar flexors inhibited, soleus would have to pick up THAT slack too. Anterior ankle muscles would become very fibrotic to compensate, limiting pronation, resulting in limited ankle ROM in all directions. Limited ankle ROM would tend to inhibit movement on both ends of the metatarsals, leading to sensory motor amnesia (in this case, his small toes). All of that together would tend to restrict peripheral circulation, leading to greater sensitivity to palpation and tendency to cramp.

His glutes are probably underdeveloped/atrophied and sore when palpated. Releasing the hip flexors would make it easier to work the glutes, hip rotators, and hamstrings. The calves and feet may need a good deal of fascial work and gentle stretching. Stretching methods that engage the nervous system with movement (Active Isolated Stretching, PNF, MET, CRAC) can be very useful both for lengthening stubborn tissues and for neuromuscular re-education. AIS in particular would probably be the gentlest, most enjoyable method for him to practice. Passive stretching induces greater ischemia during sustained holds and may aggravate his situation, which would explain why it hurts and he doesn't like to practice that method.

For self-stretching homework, I'd have him spend some time doing a few (ACTIVE) simple hip/glute stretches, and a few (ACTIVE) calf/ankle stretches. All stretches should be done in positions where the tissues being stretched are NOT under load (i.e. no calf stretches standing and leaning against a wall). Unweighted pain-free ROM improvement will facilitate improved circulation and recovery of the target tissues. As he becomes comfortable (and consistent!) with his hip/glute and calf/ankle stretches, he will be better able to handle hamstring and hip flexor stretches.

My recommendation for this gentleman would be 1-2 sessions per week for 4-8 weeks. The more he practices his active stretches and works on remaining generally physically active, the faster he'll overcome the pain and recover normal function. You are in a position to educate this gentleman about his personal responsibility for recovery and ongoing maintenance, and he needs to hear it even if he doesn't really want to.

Hope those thoughts help you help him! :)
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

bumpity bump - I'm seeing him again tomorrow
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

The above suggestions sound pretty good, and very thorough.. but wondered if he would also consider soaking his feet nightly in hot water with Epsom salt and arnica oil added? I literally am soaking my feet in this even as I type this. It is a huge help for Plantar Fasciitis and arthritis...not to mention general foot strain..

I totally agree with the hip flexor work and addressing the upper legs along with the feet and calves..

Cant wait to hear how it goes at his next session..!
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

Last session went well. The adhered tissues in the entirety of BL lower legs were MUCH freer and softer than before, a major milestone. R heel pain is gone, plantarflexion of small toes more possible. (He doesn't like to hold plantarflexion b/c he fears his medial arch will cramp, but that tendency is subsiding.)

I don't know that I would call plantar fasciitis on this one.

Got another coming in but will post more later - and thanks to all.
 
His feet have hurt for 10 years!

BJB-LMP said:
Last session went well. The adhered tissues in the entirety of BL lower legs were MUCH freer and softer than before, a major milestone. R heel pain is gone, plantarflexion of small toes more possible. (He doesn't like to hold plantarflexion b/c he fears his medial arch will cramp, but that tendency is subsiding.)

I don't know that I would call plantar fasciitis on this one.

Got another coming in but will post more later - and thanks to all.

Can't wait to see a more detailed review! Sounds like you did great! :D
 
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    ๐Ÿซฆ Nayla & Phoenix are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  31. SAMMY2016:
    Z-ONE
  32. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘body scrub๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 Nice girl Mia sexy body big boobs 36DD very good body slide and massage with sensual touch. She knows how to take direction and please a man. Suki ๐Ÿ˜˜can provide deep Thai massage. She takes directions very well. She has many assets and knows how to use them. Come see her today.Welcome to walk in or make an appointment at any time. Plenty of parking space at the back door
  33. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Thursday November 14, 2024, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Cici โค๏ธ, Mia ๐ŸŒธ, Vicky ๐Ÿ’– and Lulu ๐Ÿ˜˜. Call 905-479-6668 to book your session!
  34. Shangri-la Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€”34D Cici, Cindy, Coco, Lulu, Echo, 36D Amber, Tina, Lucy & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธZara๐ŸŒธAkame Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธMaria๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธBreeCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3very nice girls here today: ELLA : is a small & curvy white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbbJ cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. HOLLY (11am-9pm) : is a young, pretty, slim & busty yoga instructor from Vietnam, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  38. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A talented and graceful new massage girl from Taiwan, offering a trul
  39. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, NISHA, NINA, AMANDA, MEERA, ANGELINA, PAYAL PEARL, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  40. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWeclome to wonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)Rmt available on Wednesday,nice sexy big boots Joey ,new young girl Tiffany,very friendly very good looking Lucy on the duty, they all can provide excellent massage and nice touch ,body slide, make you really comfortable,must come to tryโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800 ๐Ÿท๐Ÿท
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  43. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  44. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CARA, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly with a host of services. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  47. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Wednesday at AMORE SPA: [/color ANGELA & CHERRY. ANGELA (*New Today) CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. AMORE SPA is a well established holistic spa
  48. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Angela & Noor are here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  49. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  50. See You Health Center:
    Barbie Very Young, very Petite Korea Student With Perfect S shape type Spicy Smoking Hot Body Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
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