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Hi all, I have not posted for ages but I know I can count on you guys for some support. I am beating myself up (as usual). I am qualified in Swedish massage, Aromatherapy Massage, Hydrotherm Massage and IHM (and other stuff which is irrelevant at the moment). I have just done no hands massage - at the weekend. and I loved it. I had a client in today who presented with what sounded like muscle spasm and I thought no hands might be good for her. Did the treatment and she came down saying nothing had changed at all, although she did enjoy the massage. On closer questioning, she told me that she had actually fallen off a ladder shortly before the pains had started so I have suggested she goes to her gp for a check up before booking with our sports/injury therapist.

My problem is that I feel like crap cos I didn't "fix" her. I often feel like that and seem to be only good enough for the relaxing massages - I know my pressure is not light so that's not the issue. Hugs please??? feeling worthless!!
 
dont feel bad one cant fix what they dont know about she should have given you more imfo in the consultation im now a sports therapist and my consultation and firness asessment lasts about an hour and thirty mins
 
Hi Ambermoon
I am not a massage therapist so cant comment much on your post but just wanted to say dont beat yourself up too much. You cant "fix" everyone and you gave the person good advice by sending them for a check up. IMO the client should have told you about the accident before you started.
You are most certainly not worthless and not making this client feel better with one appointment does not make you so. Take a minute to think of all the people you have helped .

So a big cyber hug from me
Love and Light
Linda
 
Hi Amber,
only a caring therapist like you would reflect on yourself and criticise that much! Huge e-hug to you :) massage is the appropriate / adequate manipulation of soft tissues no matter which technique you use ;-)
 
Hi Amber.

I am a No Hands massage Master Practitioner and have been using it for some years now. I can reassure you that No Hands, nor any other style of massage will always be able to 'fix' everything and I have also had clients who I have had to refer on because I could not help them.

Whilst it is, of course, important to be good at what you do, I think it is also important to be focused on the client here and now and the massage, and not the outcome.

I know that I am very good at what I do; I also know I cannot solve everyone's problem.

Falling off a ladder could cause injuries that a massage will not, in itself, heal. You will no doubt have had some impact on your clients healing process which may be easier and take less time because of your treatment.

Knowing when to refer on is as important as knowing how to massage well.
 
Come here, ambermoon! (A big hug...)
Now forget about it! It is not your business to fix anybody. Even if you could fix them completely, they will only allow you to fix them as much as they are ready for.

Don't carry this cross. It is not for you to carry. Everyone is on a journey of some sort. It is all perfection in action. However little or much they move forward is entirely interwoven into their personal quest.
You are perceiving your self as responsible for their chosen path. Hence feeling of cr*p. Lighten up deary!
 
Thanks for that Derek - I was kind of hoping you would post. I saw a post of yours about no hands massage from some time ago. I think my problem is that I don't know that I'm good at what I do and always doubt myself. I agree with all the posts about my client's healing etc not being my responsibility etc etc. However, she did not feel ANY benefit from the treatment at all. I was gutted! I know that I did the right thing in referring her to her gp in the first instance and that she has probably injured herself during the fall. I am also pleased that I opted for the no hands option rather than deep tissue which, I feel, might have made things worse - I do elemis deep tissue - all that elbow work really freaks me out a bit! No hands is so much nicer to do and to receive, I think. Anyway sorry for rambling on and thanks for all your support. I will try to lighten up! Its the self doubt that gets to me really!
 
Just to chime in what the others have said - you can't fix everyone. It can be disappointing to have a client say they feel the same. Massage is not always an instant fix. Also your client didn't give you the full information about what had happened. When a client tells me they have a particular ache or pain I always ask if they know what might have caused it or what they have been doing lately.

You did the right thing suggesting she sees her gp.

I am sure you have had many positive comments from other clients so think about that - they can't all be lying to you - lol.

Once you start feeling more confident about your treatments things like this won't phase you.
 
You can't 'fix' everyone, you actually can't 'fix' anyone, ever heard the saying 'the therapist is on the table/couch'? You can often facilitate what the person receiving the treatment is getting, but what they get is all dependant on what they are prepared to accept.

I remember seeing one client with a bad back for a couple of months, quite major improvements in her back/shoulders/neck/flexibility. She eventually told me the treatments weren't helping with her candida and that was the last I saw of her.

I'm always amazed at the people that come in, one shoulder up near their ear, all sort of twisted saying they did something to their neck, you work on them, shoulder comes down and they say 'it still hurts when I do this!' as they manage to get their left ear over their right shoulder.
 
I agree with what Cola is saying. I tend to agree that we are facilitating what the person receives but how they accept it is another story!

Recently i have seen quite a few clients who want quick fixes, who want their problem solved in one treatment and even when they are feeling lots of benefits from the treatment, it hasn't fully resolved their problem and so they are dissapointed. Yet, others are understanding that it is a process and glad that it has helped provide some level of relief.

It is disheartening when a client turns round and says they haven't felt any different, especially when you as a therapist know how wonderful and beneficial massage is. I also think it can be a knock to the confidence and have found myself reminding myself that everyone accepts the treatment differently.

Am sending you a big hug ambermoon as have been on the receiving end of comments myself and know it can sting. As Essence says, remember all those positive comments you have received and remember how many people appreciate the service you have to offer.
 
Hello again, Ambermoon 2 and you are welcome.

I do agree with all the comments about how we are only facilitators and the client will take what they are able to take from your massage, and remember Gerry Pyves telling us as much. But, I also know how you feel and have to admit that I am disappointed if the client doesn't feel much better, too! The biggest lesson I had to learn was not to be upset when, after what I thought was a magnificent massage and I asked the client how they felt, they'd say, 'ok', or, 'fine'!! Some people are so out of touch with their bodies that they don't know what they feel and others just can't say how they feel.

Anyway, remember to be guided by your hara, feel grounded in your sole, fall gently, but deeply, and go with the flow.

Don't seek perfection, just love what you do.

And if I ever get to County Durham, I'll drop by for one of your lovely massages and put your mind at rest!
 
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    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Ivy with big buttocks open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Tina with curvy body 30s, pretty GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  32. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธLulu ๐ŸŒธValentina ๐ŸŒธLuna โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  33. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MONIKA, SANA, ANGEL, KAVYA, PAYAL PEARL, SARIKA, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  34. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ nice girl Mia big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Vicky deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ Luna very nice girl hot sexy body โค๏ธ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in
  35. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  36. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธ โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ 5124 Dundas W Etobicoke table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Sexy girl Suki 36 DD large breasts, rosy nipples, small nipples, Wow ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Super great body slide ๐Ÿ‘ Luna has a slim figure and smooth, delicate skin like a little girl ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ Welcome to enter or make an appointment โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 rear door with a large number of parking spaces
  38. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  39. Newspring@:
    Nu spring spa @ ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹sexy hot Canadian Ashley โค๏ธ Viennese CiCi โค๏ธ girls working ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘at Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  40. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  41. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Yuki slime open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Mia 25โ€™s, fun GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  42. SunriseRH:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: NAYLA & TIANA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. TIANA is a sexy Jamaican girl, 5โ€™6โ€ & 120Lbs, possessing 36DD-28-39 assets to drive you crazy. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean,
  43. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธEmily ๐ŸŒธTina ๐ŸŒธBarbie โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  44. NewOriental:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY , KAT & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. KAT is BEAUTIFUL, young & slim with C Cups , a tasty figure & a tasty menu. VIVIAN is a pretty & very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall,
  45. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage &...
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCINDY, KIKI & LILY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CARA is a new attractive attendant with a host of skills.
  49. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Susan Colombian girl .she is 5โ€™4โ€ tall, 108 pounds, beautiful curves, exotic eyes, long black hair, bodacious chests Natalie She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl 5โ€™ 2โ€, 100 lbs black Hairโ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  50. See You Health Center:
    Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
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