Madeleine a disappointment

[whay????]

Seen a few mixed reviews on Madeleine so I though I'd give my few cents worth. A pleasant lady, who's self-description is pretty accurate. The down side is that I don't think she really gives a damn about her clients. I've seen her twice, had a good time, and thought we had some rapport. However, I've recently called three times and she knows who I am. She has not had the courtesy of replying once - a common theme of prior posts. I really believe this line of work can be an honorable service profession like any other without all the sordidness and criminality currently associated with it. But when a worker cannot show a common courtesy like returning a phone call there's obviously still a long way to go. I imagine Madeleine gets so many calls and is busy enough she doesn't need to give a damn about regulars. No wonder the service providers and clients often have no respect of one another. Very disappointing and misleading experience with her.

 

[Jocelyn]

I forgot to mention Madeline claims to be a Registered massage Therapist but at other times changes her story to being "equivalent to" Could find no mention of her in the list Of RMTs in BC. Her massage is adequate, but certainly not therapeutic or up to RMT standard.

 

[Yacajoo]

Madeline must be good, heck, you've visited her twice and are up for a third, so what's up with the bad remarks?

These ladies have personal lives and can't always return calls, just something you'll have to get used to. There could be a lot of reasons for her not returning your call, maybe she just doesn't like you

I have never seen Madeline personally but judging from your attitude I can see why she doesn't return your call. Sorry about the hard time but I just don't understand why you would write something negative when she treated you good (i.e. you went back for seconds, thirds).

 

[Pedro]

Do not look outside yourself for consistency. Look inside for such characteristics. Also, keep in mind that perhaps you are not such a good date, and that she might well not wish to see you. She might be worried about you. She could be very busy as well.

My advice? If you are not appreciative of this worker, then move on. Find one that fits your (to me, unhealthy) demands.

 

[miami J]

Some times when we think that the date went really well the SP has other opinions. I've had SP's ignore me after seeing them once or twice , while other SP's enjoy my calling them emensely. One just has to move on to the girls who want your business.

 

[trohmaniacs]

I'm curious as to what name you were looking for on the BC RMT list? Do you have a last name?... or even a real name? I think anyone could tell you they would not expect to see the name "Madeleine" on that list.

 

[Breezy Weezy]

You gave a lot of great tips and info in your post. Thanks

 

[me!]

Thanks for the honest feedback from you all. In retrospect I think I put too much emphasis on Madeleine and not on the point I was trying to make - namely
the desire to see the profession be legitimized like any other service industry. For that to happen standards need to be raised, and I really think the courtesy of returning phone calls, at least to someone you know, is one step towards that (and yes, it would be okay for the SP to say they don't want to see you again, but perhaps you might try....and so on). It's about common decency and courtesy, nothing more. For the very few of you who analyzed my character based on this wish, really ask yourself how constructive is that and how intelligent is it to base conclusions based on one piece of evidence??? Thanks for those with an honest opinion or constructive suggestions. And thanks to all.. of you for taking the time to respond. I really do think we need to raise the standards and accountability of the profession for the sake of both the providers and clients. How else do we get rid of the criminality and very serious consequences that we have at present for the SPs and recipients.

 

[justme123]

She is hard to get ahold of and hard to book. But for me her service was the best I've ever had in the R&T department, bar none.

 

[Pompal 09.]

I too have found Madeleine to be highly disappointing -- when I lived in Seattle, she insisted on locating her studio 140 miles away from me.

And then when I moved down to the SF bay area, she inconsiderately set up shop nearly 1000 miles from me.

And when she lent me an umbrella, it was a plaid one.
I don't like plaid umbrellas.
It was so ugly, she refused to take it back.

I don't consider any of that very professional.
I'm very surprised that she has any business at all.

 

[francisco h]

I find it ironic that ladies working so hard to up the public image of sex workers take no offense to ladies in this business demeaning other professionals. Want respect, give respect.

Having several friends that are RMT’s, I can’t help but be totally disgusted by any sex industry worker that degrades and belittles that professional designation by using Registered or Certified. Most are aware that if a RMT is caught doing anything sexual with a client they are disciplined and lose their designation. This is not taken lightly by the regulatory bodies or by the RMT's!

B.C.'s Registered Massage Therapists (RMTs) are among the most educated and highly trained professionals in the world. To become an RMT in B.C, students must complete at least 3,000 hours of training at an accredited college. This can be compared to a university bachelor degree which typically averages 1,500 hours over four years.

So all the massage ladies know, they are very specific about their unauthorized use of the titles:
Section 13(4) of the HPAct states: "A person other than a registrant of a college must not use a name, title, description or abbreviation in any manner that expresses or implies that he or she is a registrant or is associated with the college."

Section 3 of the Massage Therapists Regulation (the "Regulation") approved pursuant to the HPAct goes on to state: "A person other than a registrant may not use the title 'massage therapist', 'registered massage therapist', 'massage practitioner', or 'registered massage practitioner'."

Using these designation in the sex trade is a total lack of respect and I find it sad that some in this business seem to have so little.

 

[mariettascheer]

I think you're mixing up two issues here. Raising the "service" standards in the sex industry is not going to get it legitimized no matter how fine the servce may be. Legitimization is a moral issue and politicians head into that area of the political arena at their peril.

Have you ever tried phoning a tradesperson to get some work done on your home? If there was ever an industry that needed work on the service end of things, it's the trades. Their service, by and large, stinks. Yet, they are legitimized.

I agree that some SPs could use a little help in dealing with clients but don't sweat it. Move on.

 

[That[[drummer]]Girl]

Sometimes Maddy can be hard to get ahold of, there's usually a good reason.

The thing is.. there is a huge difference between not answering your call (or returning it) and not showing up for an appointment.

Have you ever tried to get ANY professionals (in any business) to return calls when they are busy, especially in BC?

Heck, I'm trying to get some renos done and I'm having a heck of a time trying to get 'professionals' to show up at the times they say they are going to show up.

Saying that someone is a disappointment because she's too busy to answer the phone when you decide to call her is a bit lame on your part.

In this particular case, I don't think it would be wise to assume that she doesn't care about you just because she isn't great about returning your calls.

As far as knowing what she's doing goes, she does (and I have a LOT more than 3,000 hours of training in the subject).

 

[gymnast]

Hello eforum.xxxerts,

Alas. I am hard to get a hold of. I'm an elusive tart. I'm busy during the day (can't answer the phone while in an appointment, right?), and my phone seems to expire on a semi-regular basis (I had eight of them last year).

There was a while there where I had to make quite a few cancellations. They break my heart and my pocketbook, and I'll here out myself with the reason why, now that I'm out of the woods.

I was undergoing radiation therapy, and somedays I would wake up feeling like a Zamboni with a bad case of salmonella ran me over in the middle of the night. I felt, like many "sick" people, ashamed of my illness, and who wants to see the masseuse with cancer? No-body. It makes you feel bad for me, and then you don't let me take care of you. So I didn't tell any but a couple of select regulars (thank you to them).

I'm fine and well now (suck on it, you nasty-bad malignant cells!) and glad to finally be back at work full strength for the first time since last spring.

For granite, what massagegirl said is bang-on. I would add that it's best to call me in the morning (before I start work at noon) and in the evening (after I'm done at around 7 or 8). If you leave a message, let me know your number, and when it is safe to call you.

I often get messages at the end of the day, when it seems too late to politely and discreetly call back. I always err on the side of not outing eforum.xxxerts to their wives.

Or your message might say you are looking for an appointment for noon, and I get the message when I am done work at five-thirty. It seems silly to call you back, then, too. But if you'd like me to call you back regardless, let me know.

Oh, as regards RMT: I don't think I've ever said I'm "equivalent to" an RMT. I have done my two years of training, I've paid them their massive licensing fees; I am a certified massage therapist.

Sadly, "Madeleine" (like many other one-named semi-fictitious souls) is not bound to be in the College's list of therapists.

You may be shocked, in fact, to discover that James Bond is not on the MI6's roster of professional G-men. Nor is Jesus Christ (retired) registered to the illustrious tradesmens' union.

The criteria upheld by some professions, is, in point of fact, dismaying to any moral citizen.

But I escape the point: If you'd like to see me in that guise, you'll be paying more, and getting less. But hey, then you'd see my certificate. Wouldn't that be FUN!

Just think, we could compare diplomas o'er a snifter of Q.R.V., and discuss the glories of RMT's being strictly controlled and policed in BC and Ontario but non-existent in other more open-minded provinces. We could speak of the three months I (along with poor, un-diplomae'd Madeleine) spent at the college in New West, learning sweet blessed fuck-all! (And getting our money back. We were pleased.)

Oh, we'd chatter of the two years I spent in Thailand, learning in their 6 days per week, 9 hours per day, hands-on training, more than the average student learns here in their four year course! Riveting stuff! Of the hefty sum I paid the College when I got back in order to take the test and get into their good books.

And then.... we'd get to the diploma. Sweeeeeeet succotash! Creamy dimpled paper, lovely cursive font (size fourteen, buxom but brash and seductive), and my name.......

But alas. That'd be giving up the game. Throwing myself to the nooky-with-your-cooky massage police. And that'd not be fun; I'd be undone.

Oh my. I appear to have had rather a lot of massageplanetfeine, and too high a dose of Oscar WIlde this afternoon.

I hope to have settled this matter with my semi-Wildean banter. For further pontifications on my truantness, please address me directly, as I strive to offer quite overwhelming compensation to those I have wronged.

Sign me,

A woman of no importance, who understands the importance of being earnest. (ha. ha. ha.)

( Madeleine. 778 883 9084)

 

[Maki Maki]

Nice to see the ever-erudite Madeleine back on eforum.xxx.

 

[Tracy Max]

Now this is golden stuff !!

Madeleine, you should write a book (or two).

 

[Vegas Matt]

Johny, great job cutting and pasting from `who are' on http://www.massagetherapy.bc.ca/.

"Mostly highly educated and highly trained professionals in the world... " is a nice marketing slogan but really now. When RMTs are conducting rounds in the hospital, performing surgery and making more money than those lesser educated professionals then I may agree. All that training and no bachelor degree or even a diploma. Is that because the term "college" refers to a self regulating public interest group (arguably out for their own interest and thus limiting competition and controlling who is in and who is out)? Perhaps it is this approach that disgusts some people with the MTABC or CMTBC.

Irrespective of Madeleine's skills, she is among the more intelligent and respectful people I have met in any profession. Have you met her or do you demonstrate respect by stereotyping?

I do not understand why a reference by a sex industry worker to the RMT accreditiation totally disgusts you and how it degrades the MT profession.

If an accountant or lawyer chooses to stop practicing their profession they can no longer use the designation and would not show up on a members list. Would it be degrading to the profession for such a person to state that they met the standards of the profession? If you cant help it, maybe you should get help.

So Johny, "want respect, give respect."

 

[Fusion]

Maddy,

I must admit I too had moved on after a couple of cancels and non-reply's last fall. I am so glad you came out and explained your circumstances. The big C and all. Ouch! Now I feel like a creep for thinking you were flakey or something. In fact my back is sooooo tense just thinking about how difficult things must have been for you. I think I will have to make an appointment and let you work the kinks out for me.

I promise to:
- Call before noon.
- Leave my number and let you know when I can be reached.
- Not e-mail you.
- Laugh at any jokes you might tell (I do love your funny side)
- Be a perfect gentleman (unless you request otherwise)
- Show up on time.
- Be understanding if you have to cancel or something.
- Honour your litereary skills (saucey as they may be)


Hope to see you soon,

-Puntmeister.

 

[Pompal 09.]

I know the feeling maddy, people seem to be trying to look up "jjinvan" on the royal college website all the time...

mmm "full strength maddy" ... I'll have to make a trip to the mainland soon

 

[Pompal 09.]

You have to also promise to keep your stick on the ice