Mandy @ AM Spa

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I have seen Mandy a couple of times now so obviously repeat is a yes lol. Mandy gives a great massage. I wanted somewhere between deep tissue and relaxation and she delivered perfectly. She looks so cute in her glasses. I left happy both times. Best part is she does not keep jack hammering when things are sensitive. Not sure if more available such as T, N as far as attire goes and if any more than HE. I really like Mandy and plan to see her again ASAP. Sorry, do not remember pricing but it was not ridiculous like CO. I'd say standard and reasonable.
 
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Saw May last week and all went well. Only wanted a relaxation massage which she did quite well, almost fell asleep. Her tease was awesome and on the flip I asked for topless but everything thing came off. Cute little body and let my fingers do the exploring. She finished me off and asked me to turn over so she could give my back more attention, next thing I know she's teasing for a second round. Awesome times.
 
I saw Mandy. May is a different lady (as both are mentioned in their ads).
 
Mandy=younger, tall for an asian, glasses, wears nice tight clothings, decent massage, generally good.
May=a little older, short, petite, better massage, English not as good, harder to communicate with.

Go for Mandy if you like eye candies, go for May if you like better massages. I would consider both to be the better ones at AM.
 
Mandy=younger, tall for an asian, glasses, wears nice tight clothings, decent massage, generally good.
May=a little older, short, petite, better massage, English not as good, harder to communicate with.

Go for Mandy if you like eye candies, go for May if you like better massages. I would consider both to be the better ones at AM.

Does Mandy have a nice rack?
 
Does Mandy have a nice rack?
To me, yes, they look amazing in tanktops, amazing what Victoria's Secret can do to make things look perfect. Without the Victoria's Secret magic, they are a little more average - hint hint...
 
Dang it, I went before Christmas Eve during the day and asked to see Mandy again since I enjoyed my last visit and when I called, I specifically requested Mandy twice. I got bait and switched to KIYA (Lala). The massage I rate about a 6, but not so much MCOT though. I got no tease at all and on the flip I was offered a handshake. $60 took care of it. So with no such restrictions on Xiaoping on her like before, she is welcomed to do as she please. I applaud the effort for her to finally cross the line into a better place but I guess maybe with more practice with clients and perhaps a tutorial, she will improve...................
I will still visit AM Spa as I have an entire roster to go through still.
 
Saw Koko last week and took the 45 minute package. She did an awesome massage on my back as it was really knotted up, even used some Chinese medicine rub and a real hot towel. Left feeling really relaxed, she even looked after the LG, BONUS!
 
So I have gotten to see what Mandy looks like has anyone gotten to see underneath the lululemons.
 
I saw her in passing from the description. I was thinking of booking her i was wanting to know if anyone has seen her without the lulu's.
 
Saw Mandy again today. What a beautiful and sweet lady. Such a great massage too.
 
Here I am leaving but I will confess my sins first. One of the things I liked about this site was anonymity which Linda at SP has ruined only she did for the wrong people. So anything I wrote past Christmas is crap mostly Linda gets my special attention, and MR Pissed I don't know who or what the nature of your relationship with this so called lady was but it sure as fuck is not mine or Madaddicts fault she dumped your ass. Now I will be honest I am making some assumptions in some on some of this, it is from researching this site and some is from re-reading Mr. Pissed's posts and if they knew you from your work and that is why they are calling you out it had to be something pretty distinctive. Along with this since I am the only one to name names about SP I can only make one assumption and that you are a dumb ass.

I like to do walk ins as when I used to go to CO I started to get Random texts and then Phone call from Michelle when she was there so I never called ahead after that, I dont want places having my number. I have not been to this place here in a couple of months except for a walk in early December in which I saw Mandy and 1 other lady in passing,going into the room next to where I ended up who looked slightly older, the gal I saw and had a session with is no longer there, but has been well reviewed on this site and was very chatty, and told me some of the goings on. Now as I said in the fake Sunny I did have a paramour which had ended actually in November, so I came back and looked and read staring to do some research. about Mandy, then later posted fake reviews, I was not able to make it down in JANUARY with the post Christmas bills. I did this because I new that if I just asked straight out it would have been hey check the reviews and search.

Now I did ask several members if more was available than had been reported I guess not even the Party guy said he had her in her panties and it was granite smooth and only happened once so if it is true or not I don't know. But from the responses I got with most M694ever I don't think she is like the typical asian that will bend over for a few browns.

So to Mandy I do whole heartedly apologize for my bullshit and well I do deserve to be called an asshole.

Selina you as well I did not get your pants off.

But when I did go in past I believe Angela is still the boss from when I first went would only do a stress relief after a couple of visits if you wanted more she called some of the other ladies in.

But Linda 100% non bullshit!!!!

So Linda I did do a review of you at SP and well after my research I did not find a Linda at Lewis like you said the first time. But I did find references to a Linda from Vancouver who was slightly older at AM Spa, hence why I am posting this here and will be posting in SP. On my first visit I did what I do a drop in I had 40 bucks extra and stayed for the 30minute special of course when You were playing with my junk saying how nice it was and that it you got so horny. I did not have a tip but it did not stop you I left empty all you said for next time was how much are you going to pay me naked, you did let me play with your perfectly shaved business equipment though.

But for round number 2 after you told me about the reviews HMMM shit I played dumb and you fired the wrong fucking way. So I am now posting about the reverse I had another great massage from you you do give a great massage. I stated I do as well and well you agreed stripped down to some very sexy purple bra and panties and I proceeded to massage you and you said I did give a good one. I massaged your legs had those nice panties half way down your but and I proceeded to go all the way up and when I was about half a finger deep you said not this time. Of course you were also stating how you wanted a boyfriend, and after you got to know me you would start sexing me.

I was not going to say anything as per your request until all this bullshit blew up fucking drama I don't want or need it. Now of course we talked sometimes I say I am a mechanic others a more broad overview you had the more broad overview. You were pissed at me called your old place of employment to which I am making a guess is here, but I am pretty good a facial recognition. Now if you wanted to tell me to fuck off you should have done it to my face. Instead you started more fucking drama on this site.


As for Mr. Pissed there are ladies out there who do enjoy the job's they have and are doing if you are still around you can read that. There are also ladies who don't want anything said Yes in some of our private chats some people have given details if true or not I don't know. But most of the men on here are appreciative of the time they spend with the ladies and do try to remain respectful. If who the hell ever it was did love you as you claim and it was not just a business relationship, then maybe she needs to move away from this type of place.

I do state that some of this is a researched guess and going off statements from those involved that has been posted here. But I will tell you it sure makes sense at least to me.


I AM DONE WITH THIS SHIT THE GONG HAS RUNG!!!

Why you did "COPY AND PASTE" same things in a few different thread????
You just hijacking threads...
 
nice gal, i would peg her to be probably 30s, she's tall for an asian girl.. imo, if you like relaxing massage and a nice HE, she's good to visit. i didn't ask for HE and ended up getting one lol. she also does a little dirty talk encouraging you to ~~
Wait... This sounds hot. There have been a couple names mentioned in here, so who are we talking about specifically? I love how one female aat xiaoping takes matters into her own hands withiut annoying haggling etc, so i woukd LOvE to find another like this. Sure I still tip some but it is different when someone just grabs the cock and goes to it. I would love to know who this is. I have been to AM once and it was great but i usually frequent another placr instead
 
QUOTE="Old Fart, post: 1004944, member: 61045"]And so I will ADD THIS, THEN, TO LOSERPISSED...Let her stay "safely" anonymous. No one here wants to know or CARES who she is, where she is or what she is, unless it is to avoid her. I sure would avoid her. Look who she associates with? Yes, service provider is polite for prostitute


Ladies as I know yout boss reads these this is how you customer base truly feels about you. He and I will say not just him thinks that you are all prostitutes. but just to ensure I may just print this off and give it to these ladies.
 
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  29. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธLulu ๐ŸŒธValentina ๐ŸŒธLuna โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  30. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MONIKA, SANA, ANGEL, KAVYA, PAYAL PEARL, SARIKA, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  31. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ nice girl Mia big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Vicky deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ Luna very nice girl hot sexy body โค๏ธ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in
  32. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Michelle, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  33. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  34. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธ โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ 5124 Dundas W Etobicoke table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Sexy girl Suki 36 DD large breasts, rosy nipples, small nipples, Wow ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Super great body slide ๐Ÿ‘ Luna has a slim figure and smooth, delicate skin like a little girl ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ Welcome to enter or make an appointment โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 rear door with a large number of parking spaces
  35. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  36. Newspring@:
    Nu spring spa @ ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹sexy hot Canadian Ashley โค๏ธ Viennese CiCi โค๏ธ girls working ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘at Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  37. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  38. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Yuki slime open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Mia 25โ€™s, fun GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  39. SunriseRH:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: NAYLA & TIANA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. TIANA is a sexy Jamaican girl, 5โ€™6โ€ & 120Lbs, possessing 36DD-28-39 assets to drive you crazy. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean,
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธEmily ๐ŸŒธTina ๐ŸŒธBarbie โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  41. NewOriental:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY , KAT & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. KAT is BEAUTIFUL, young & slim with C Cups , a tasty figure & a tasty menu. VIVIAN is a pretty & very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall,
  42. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage &...
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCINDY, KIKI & LILY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CARA is a new attractive attendant with a host of skills.
  46. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Susan Colombian girl .she is 5โ€™4โ€ tall, 108 pounds, beautiful curves, exotic eyes, long black hair, bodacious chests Natalie She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl 5โ€™ 2โ€, 100 lbs black Hairโ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  47. See You Health Center:
    Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  48. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sophia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  49. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธ โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ 5124 Dundas W Etobicoke table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Sexy girl Suki 36 DD large breasts, rosy nipples, small nipples, Wow ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Super great body slide ๐Ÿ‘ Luna has a slim figure and smooth, delicate skin like a little girl ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ Welcome to enter or make an appointment โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 rear door with a large number of parking spaces
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