Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

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Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. Such as:

- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment

- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash

- Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify

- To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

Also, what is a good way to contact the candidate and has anyone done it and what was your experience? I sometimes feel that poiticians don't know we exist.

I realize politics are an EXTREMELY explosive topic so I am deliberately not saying which candidate I am interested in. I am posting this topic b/c I genuinely want to know where our candidates stand, and not make people on this board fight over politics.
 


Both candidates have websites which contains most of their policies. You can also use their websites to email them. Now...I'm sure the candidate themself won't answer your email but someone on their staff will.
Barack Obama's Site

John McCain's Site


Another thought is to contact you local branch of whichever political party you belong to (or even if you don't belong to it) and they should be able to give you more one-on-one information.

Angie
 
Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

Anastasia said:
Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. .

The Tax Foundation provides a comparison tool

http://www.taxfoundation.org/candidates08/

Anastasia said:
- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment.

Unless you are considered "politically rich", meaning making over $50K per year, you probably don't pay federal income tax, and probably still get a rebate check due to the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit, both of which subtract income taxes dollar for dollar and can reduce income tax liability to below zero.

Simply put, the bottom 40 percent of earners colยญlectively pay no income taxes, and many actually receive checks from Washยญington. The little tax burยญden that they pay is in social insurance taxes, as well as excise taxes (such as gas and cigarette taxes).

So for many "hard working families" (I am still trying to figure out what families don't work hard) there are no income taxes left to cut.

Unfortunately, for anyone bold enough to be successful, Barack Obama wants to raise your taxes by repealing the tax cuts already in place.

John McCain has flipped flop, deciding he is now for letting us non-hard working families keep more of our money.

Anastasia said:
- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash.

BHO wants to raise the cap on the payroll tax for SSN, meaning you pay FICA on all earnings. This is not good for small businesses, many of which report business income on a schedule c or as an S corp. This income would now be subject to FICA

But the reality is, you are not taxed twice. If you were employed, and only paid half your FICA, your average wage would be lower than being an IC where you pay your own. So you pay 6.7% less, but you will earn about 8% less. Most businesses - ours included - pay ICs about 10% more than employees because of this factor.

Anastasia said:
Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify.

You can be an employee of your own S-Corp or LLC to qualify for the plan. Problem is, current tax code counts health insurance benefits to anyone owning more than 2% of an S-Corp or LLC as taxable income.


Anastasia said:
To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. .

I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat, when to work out, etc. Businesses are doing that -- not hiring smokers, rewarding employees who work out -- and they catch and earful and the occasional lawsuit from the ACLU and Trial Lawyers sniffing out "discrimination". If a business wants to do it, more power to them. Don't like it, work somewhere else. If they all do it, get healthy or start your own business. Gov't does not offer such flexible alternatives when they get in the business of mandating behavior.

Anastasia said:
For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

You can thank the AMA for that. Heaven forbid anyone other than an MD can help you be well and healthy.
 


R&R,

Thanks for posting. I found it most informative. I liked that tax comparison. It's a bit scary though...

Great topic!
 


I love this website and it has helped me understand my own leanings:

http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
 


I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat

Well the government already does this, on behalf of Big Ag, in the form of the highly flawed Food Pyramid (http://www.mypyramid.gov/) Their plan suggests I drink 3 cups of milk per day. Disgusting.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see any emphasis on whole grains, and a decreased emphasis on meat... the industry must have failed to donate enough money to the right people or something.

To the OP, if you are interested in this topic, research the Farm Bill... it's hilariously disturbing.
 


This just in...

McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!

For example...say you start a wholistic medi-spa, and put $100K of your own money in as equity and $300K in debt financing (both bank loans, LOC and your personal money you lend to the business)

In 10 years, you sell the business for $500K. By that time, all of your debt will be paid off, so the sale price of $500K is relative to the $100K investment, or a cap gain of $400K.

Aside from the income you drew running the business to pay our daily expenses, that $400K is the payoff for building a successful business. And very likely, it will be the bulk of your retirement funds since few self-employed folks can fully fund their retirement account options for the full 10 years of the business operation.

Under current tax law (those Bush tax breaks for the rich) you would pay 15% on the $400K, or $60K.

Under Obama's proposal, cap gains rates would be 30%, or twice that so $120K in taxes.

McCain's new proposal would mean your 10 years of hard work would all end up in your bank account -- $400K free of capital gains taxes. You risked your investment, you reap its rewards. And let's face it, a $400K payoff after 10 years is far from being rich, so why should you give 1/3rd to the wasteful gov't (after all, you were paying income taxes on your earnings during the 10 yrs you ran the biz...they got their share)
 


I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me. I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
 


peacenut said:
I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me.

This is not just about ME or any one individual. The incentive to create a business is what creates jobs.

What could be better for any community than jobs? No government program is as successful as a job in eliminating poverty, creating a culture of self-reliance and personal responsibility and giving people hope for a better future for them and their children.

The government does not create many worthy jobs -- most of them just eat up your taxes while the dole out the rest of your tax dollars in an inefficient manner. Less than 50% of the $ allocated to social programs actually get into the hands of the recipients.

When citizens know their hard work and risks in starting a new business -- over 70% of new businesses fail -- will result in a more handsome reward for that risk and hard work, they are more likely to take that risk.

To think that cutting capital gains taxes only benefits the individual receiving the benefit is only seeing a sliver of the picture.


peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.

Don't you worry....it will!
 


RelaxandRejuvenate said:
peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
Don't you worry....it will!
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

http//www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html
 


Blisss said:
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

Except anyone who has a mutual fund or retirement investment is an investor, and that means over 70% of the American public will be subject to the Capital Gains tax increase.

70% is more than most.

If the Cap Gains Tax increase stifles job creation -- and it does -- then those tax cuts really don't mean a whole lot to someone who does not have a job
 


Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?
 


Even Alan Greenspan, (not exactly a raging liberal and a good buddy of "McBush".... er I mean "McSame"... I mean "MCCAIN".... so confusing..) thinks McCain's economic plan is a disaster and he means a disaster for EVERYONE.

Read all about it in yesterday's headlines.
 


Rose of Sharon said:
Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?

yes, but there is an exemption for primary residence sales -- the first $500K of gain is exempt if you have lived in the home any 2 out of the last 5 years.
 


R&R said:
McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!
Obama has proposed the same thing.

Anastasia said:
Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals?
Here's a good article, entitled "Ask an Expert: OK, so who is the small-business candidate?"

http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/strauss/2008-09-15-candidates-small-business-1_N.htm
 
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    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  30. Shangri-la Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’– MakeIt Monday ๐Ÿ’œ SL West ๐Ÿ’– your ultimate destination for luxury Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakville. ๐ŸŒŽ๐ŸŒ9 stunning Girls from China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” 34D Suki, Cindy, ๐Ÿ‰Queen Selena, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, JPN Yui, RMT Miya & ๐Ÿ†•Jessica โ€” ๐Ÿง˜โ€โ™€โœจTable Shower special on ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐLet the fun times roll, baby!๐Ÿ™Œ
  31. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿ’„ Tiana & Noor are here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  32. New Oriental Health Centre:
    โค๏ธ Happy, Nayla & New Girl Lily are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  33. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ’„๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ”ฅ Wonder spa [9421Jane st unit 127)Please โ˜Ž๏ธ4165000-800,if you need to find a comfortable... ๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ’„๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ”ฅ Wonder spa [9421Jane st unit 127)Please โ˜Ž๏ธ4165000-800,if you need to find a comfortable place to revive your body come visit us.beautiful attendants AMY Mina Mimi seevice you relieve stresses.๐Ÿ˜Amy is very sexy and long hair fridendly girl, Mimi is younge sexy girl excellent service make...
  34. Newspring@:
    ๐ŸŒนNu spring spa โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ sexy hot Viennese and Latino girl working at Nu spring spaโ˜Ž๏ธ 416-669-8508โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ
  35. Sparkling Spa:
    Sexy Korean Massage Girl Summer is working at Sparkling Spa with Service Queen Zoe today. Real pictures of Summer & Zoe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏCall or text to book appointment ๐Ÿ“ฒ โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธYoyo๐ŸŒธCarly๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธTania Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Rose๐ŸŒน - A sexy new addition to our lin
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Doris ,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, ASHA, MALIYA, SANA, ANGELINA, MEERA, NISHA, AMANDA, MIMI, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธIvy๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKimCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  42. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  43. See You Health Center:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girlโ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu. Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  44. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 32 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa, : LALA,[/color 19Yrs young & beautiful petite, pretty, baby faced Japanese, 5โ€™2โ€ 90Lbs B Cup, bbbj, rim. Lala is energetic, fresh, beautiful & innocent, makes your heart beat. Beauty and youth can conquer everything. Highly recommended ๐Ÿ‘ SUKI, baby face student, nice all natural C Cups, short 5โ€™2โ€, sexy ass,
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Yuki 30โ€™s open mind slime and young fun Selina with curves body 30โ€™s , pretty GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž This is the official schedule for AMORE SPA: (Korean Ashley hasn't been here for AGES. The old confused imposter doesn't realize he has lost another customer, and continues to post errors and incorrect pics). Monday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY(10AM-11pm) & *New Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian
  47. Mephistopheles:
    Where is milf mimi working, a little crazy lady.
  48. ASPA:
    ๐— ๐—ข๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is slim and attractive
  49. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Lisa & Ruby. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Lisa is a young, slim & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice boobs, nice massage, incredible services.
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