Prolapsed Disc

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Hey,

I've had pain in my lower back going down my leg for about 6 months now, after numerous visits to the osteopath i decided to consult my own GP about the pain who referred me for an MRI scan.

The scan revealed that i have a prolapsed disc in the L5/S1 region and the neurosurgeon has recommended surgery. I'm due to have surgery in July which I'm not too nervous about.

I just want to know if anyone has had this type of surgery and how long it does to fully recover? The consultant said i have to stay off work for about 4/5 weeks. How soon will i be able to drive? What sort of things are difficult to do after the surgery for example sleeping? sitting etc

My body movement is fine at the moment, i just find it very difficult to drive and to sit in one place for a long time.

Please reply if you've had the same surgery as I'm about to go through in July

Thanks

Adam
 
I haven't got a clue, the consultant said its a pretty straight forward procedure where they make a small cut in my back to get to my spine.

Op is on a Thursday he said i should be able to go home on the Saturday.

I didn't know there are different types of surgeries?
 
Don't do the surgery for herniated disc that include any cutting.

Explore Minimally-invasive spine surgery!!!
 
I'm sure Keano has the best of intentions in writing this but it would best to consult with your own medical consultant should you have any concerns regarding your forthcoming operation.

Best wishes
Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Once again, thank you for your advice in this matter. With respect to your obvious knowledge on this subject, such a forum post can only be advisory and with this awareness, The Specialist can now decided whether to pursue this matter or not. I am not saying it is wrong, just appending a note of caution.

I am aware that in previous posts you have said you are not medically qualified but are undergoing research in this field, and I would also point out the site disclaimer at the bottom of the page, and in particular the following:
 
Guys we don't need to argue over this, Keano thanks for your advice and Moonfairy thanks for yours too.

The consultant did mention about a small cut which has to be made to get to my spine in order to cut off the bulging part of the disc.

Have you had surgery on your spine then Moonfairy?

Thanks
 
Hi TS

Lol, re your mention of โ€˜argumentโ€™, as I donโ€™t do them. Being a moderator of this forum, I offer genuine and sincere advice, as deemed necessary.

To answer your specific question, No I havenโ€™t had back surgery, though I have indeed experienced back pain, and for 18 months, so I can certainly empathise about back pain and I read about it with interest.

To return to the specific topic of this thread, keano16 looks to have great knowledge on the subject of back pain. I had to remind myself that he posted on earlier threads that he was a medical researcher rather than a neurosurgeon. Lol. Maybe his own personal experiences of back pain might also provide further help in this matter.

I do sincerely send you my best wishes regarding your future surgery and hope that it will render you pain free.

Moonfairy
HPmods
 
Are you trying to be sarcastic and ironic with that "LOL"? Yes, I am a researcher but I don't research for profit, I research for prosperity and health. Also, I have a lot of personal experience, as you can see.
 
Replying as a forum moderator:



Keano16,

As Moonfairy stated in her reply to The Specialist:



so there will have been no sarcasm or irony, as you put it, regarding the harmless inclusion of a LOL or two, merely a desire to remain pleasant in tone while responding to your earlier post #4:



to ensure that forum posts and any advice offered by and to our members remains ethical, unbiased and does not breach forum guidelines in any regard.

I trust this clarifies the position for everyone, since the question of there being any 'argument' here simply does not arise.

Holistic
On behalf of the Healthypages Moderating Team
 
There are two main versions of decompression spinal surgery,
Open back & Microsurgery

The key difference is that the open back variety starts with a 2 to 6 inch incision in your skin, lower tissue levels, nerves, ligaments and muscles right down to the bones of the vertabrae.

The Microsurgery only requires a 1 to 2 inch incision in the skin, lower tissue levels and nerves. After that, the object of this procedure is to reduce 'or' illiminate the need to cut the ligaments and muscles as above.
However!! This is achieved by incerting tools in to the incision site and forcing the skin, tissue, nerves (and sometimes) muscles apart.
This means, that although the 'initial incision' is smaller, the actual size of the 'working hole' in your back, will be about the same size and would possibly be as destructive!

I would qualify this by saying, that due to the a smaller area of the various levels being cut, the Microsurgery has to be the better of 2 evils!! Also, several posters on this forum have reported 'good clinical outcomes'
after undergoing the micro procedure, see continue reading this thread!!

After the Surgeon gets to the vertibrae, the normal procedure is to 'cut' a window in the your vertabrae (be it healthy or not) to gain access to the
area where the decompression surgery is to take place. This is called a laminectomy or laminotomy, depending on where you live.

After the procedure (be it succesful or not) all these cut, torn, bruised, damaged and athough wise 'buggered' body parts will need to heal perfectly if you are to reach a good long term outcome.

But thats another story, I have to go now, but I will return to continue this thread!

All the very best to you!


SPINELF
 
SPINELF, allow me to correct your statements.

Surgeries are not divided to OPEN and MICRO-SURGERY. Micro-surgery is only microscopically controlled open back surgery, and thats it.

Currently in world spinal surgery is divided to:
1. Traditional spine surgery (also known as traditional spine surgery, long incision spine surgery, micro-surgery)
2. Minimally-invasive spine surgery

Minimally-invasive surgery is divided in different ways according to different authors, I think that best way for patients from this forum to understand is to divide MISS to this categories:
1. Percutanoues surgery (trough the skin, trough the needle, for example laser decompression, nucleoplasty...)
2. Micro-endoscopic surgery (trough the tubular retractor, like METRx)
3. Endoscopic surgery (trough the canula utilizing endoscope for visualization).

Also, laminectomy and laminotomy are not the same things and they don't depend on patients location. It depends on surgical technique and method that is used in unique patient. Laminectomy includes removing bigger part of lamina while laminotomy includes removing smaller part of lamina.
 
Continuing from previous reply:

One of the main reasons that a patient's satisfaction rate is so low after
these spinal procedures, is that all of the levels I mentioned previously
do not often heal completely at post operation. Also, scarring, liesions and other procedure related damage caused during these destructive
operations, add pain and symptoms that were not present before the operation.

Also, because of the need for Surgeons to have an 'approach area' that could be as big as 6 inches long and 4 inches wide in a patients back,
the risk of 'air bourne' infections is 'heightened'.

In addition, the risk of blood infections is also heightened, as high blood loss is not unusual during these open back variety procedures.

Complications due to the required general aneasthetic is as per normal operations.

So, in short, these so called 'gold standard' procedures offered by most UK & US Surgeons, are usually very destructive and all my research over the last 5 years has failed to uncover any authorative peer reviewed medical papers 'or' trial results, that confirm that these procedures are either safe or efficatious for the patient.

However, there are members on this forum who have reported recieving excellent results from some of these procedures, so do your research have a look at these threads. Also, research your Surgeon thoroughly too, as the the outcomes do appear to depend on how determind any given Surgeon is, to limiting the collatoral damage!

---------------------------------------

As KEANO points out in his reply to my last post to you, there are other alternatives to the open back approach, sadly not on the NHS!

I broadly agree with Keano's statements, but not all, however, you need not get tied up in the finer detail of the disagreements that he makes at this point in your research.

Minimally Invasive Spinal Surgery (MISS) is where the cutting edge of spine surgey is at!! They utilise micro-endoscopes, miniture & powered cutting tools and state of the art Holium & Yag lasers.

6 years ago there were around 5 spine clinics (world wide) that carried out this procedure, now there are more like 20.
There is still some variety between them, some still cut through the vertabrae (lamina), whilst others gain access to the spinal column, by using the (foraminal opening) gap that naturally occurs in the spinal system. But all MISS procedures, reduce the amount collatoral damage by cutting out the unnecersary cutting and stripping of the open back procedures.

For research purposes, please see these web sites:
www.bonati.com
www.spinal-foundation.org
There are many more similar sites, so if you need more info, please post again!


Also, see this recent video and animation I saw from America:

www.thedoctorstv.com Then click on 'PROCEDURE CAM' and then
select laser spine surgery and laser spine surgery animation.

These sites will give you a good understanding of the methodology behind the MISS procedures. Happy researching!!!


Best wishes


SPINELF
 
so after reading your posts spinelf, i am eager to try anything but surgery. have posted as of yesterday on the 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. To summerize, I have an L4/L5 prolapse that I am pretty sure is prssing on some nerves as i have moderate back pain and sciatic pain in both hip areas. I have seen a ortho surgeon who pretty much said its not worth operating on and my problem is im fat! obviously not happy and requested to see another surgeon. anyway, can anyone recommend some alternatives other than surgery and how I go about those. btw,did not have a job when sciatica started and have not been able to get one due to the pain as it has only gotten worse.cannot currently stand or sit more than 10 minutes and cannot walk more than 100-200 metres at a time. currently fighting with the dwp for ESA so not sure what i could afford as far as treatments go,any help/advice would be fantastic if you need more background its all in the other post 'got a prolapsed disc' thread. thanks very much everyone, Lisa.
 
Sorry I haven't responded sooner Lisa!

You appear to be traped in a vicious cicle, you are not alone, and when the Government gets started on it's cuts, it will become a whole lot worse!! You are not allowed treatment to make you better, and you can't get benefit to allow you to be ill!! SO UNFAIR!!!!

Your weight could be a problem, as I am sure, you don't need telling,
but, that should not (automatically) rule you out of a treatment that would allow you to exercise more and with less pain, and vastly improve the quality of you life. So don't let them block treatment for that reason.
After all, which came first, the chicken or the egg!!

In order for you to make an informed choice from available and suitable options, you need definitive and accurate MRI & (load bearing) X-ray scans and reports. I would reccomend that you invest in 'privately funded ones' from clinics that are as far away as you can tolerate to travel (in order to avoid professional bias) away from your Health Trust's area, and then take them to the next consultaion and insist that your Surgeon reviews and explains them with you.

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Best wishes


SPINELF
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Sandy sexy body so open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜š Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  35. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : Friday Schedule โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทElena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Yuki 24, Korean Slim , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  36. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…long hair vietname Amy is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful sexy face ,big boob Joey ,amazing massage ,nice the end,really popular .give you warm and comfortable time๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia๏ผŒyoung girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Aad,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Ivy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธSami๐ŸŒธIsabellaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mimi & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mimi is a nice slim lady with a big bottom, & great oral skills to take you to paradise. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  42. ForeverYoung1Spa:
    1839 DANFORTH AVE NEW STUDENT 4168556533
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, LINA & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, KELLY, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. KELLY is a young Singaporean lady, slim with C Cups & liberal skills. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and Taiwanese Victoria 25โ€™s slime open mind and young flirty Tina 30โ€™s with sexy body open mind and sweet GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 ladies waiting for you. Two Very hot ladies (Qiqi & Summer) have returned to Alice spa today. Open 10am to 9pm: LUCKY (11:30am-9pm): is Vietnamese, small body, busty D cup, very beautiful face, Young/Cute/Petite/Pure/Submissive, Fair Skin/Perky Ass/Sweet, Super Open-Minded bbbj cim cof rim, excellent service, also strong massage.
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massa
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Yumi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’‹A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumiโ€™s natural confidence and allure, make her approach
  49. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  50. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Judy and Kiki work Their relaxing massage and deep tissue massage are very very good.
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