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As always I look forward to your comments.

A prospective client phones and tells you that they would like to try Reflexology for a persistent problem and could you help. They go on to say that they are a devout christian and do not agree with such therapies as acupuncture or "any other eastern thing."

Your answer would be........?
 
Well they can't be entirely against it to have phoned to ask about having a treatment! Think I'd just make the point that its a therapy that is used by all sorts of people regardless of their race or religion, its not an 'eastern' thing, and if they think it can help then to try it.
 
I don't do reflexology but I've had this kind of thing when people call for hypnotherapy or healing.

I usually just respond by explaining what the therapy is (and what it isn't), answer any questions or concerns they may have, then leave it up to them to decide whether they still want an appointment.
Hope that helps,
With love,
Amber
 
Hi,
Their persistant problem might be their attitude - expect stiff, inflexible ankles to start with!
Regarding religion - you could explain that current practitioners are trained to the level of the national occupational standards IE recognised by the UK government which had no religious connotations. You could go on to say that reflexology was originally brought to the UK by an american...but then you might get more problems!
 
This is a good one!

I think you have to be totally honest here and explain to them what Reflexology means to you, after all it's holistic, treating mind, body and soul. They could have a problem with that one. I'd be worried that they said that they didn't agree with acupuncture as Reflexology works on pressure points linked with organs and systems of the body just as meridians are.

Like Amber Lady says,just expain what it is and how it works and let them decide.
 
Hi, i would just explane what reflexology is and what it does, i am a christian and i have come up against things from people at my church when they know what i do, but i find people jump to the wrong ider about reflexology and indian head massage just becouse they don't understand it so they make wrong jugements.
as a christian i don't see a problem with holistic treatments but some people think the wrong things just through them not understanding.
 
Mostly I think it's fear of the unknown. They worry it might smack of 'black magic' and be commiting a sin. I'm quite sure once you have explained what it is you do and answer any of their questions everything will be fine.
 
I totally agree with the other comments. If I was in the situation you mention then I'd say that reflexology is non-denominational and open to people of all all walks of life, including those that have a chosen philosophy, religion or lifestyle.

I would wonder why they had inquired about reflexology, as it did originate in the East, though perhaps they wouldn't know that. If they had any further doubtI'd briefly describe what a treatment entailed.....perhaps they would have visions of being pummelled and trodden on by an oriental wearing a tiger skin loincloth??
 
My Vicar's wife used to practice all sorts of Holistic therapies - Massage, Reflexology, Indian Head Massage and Aromatherapy. Surely to a well-balanced person, it is possible to be a Christian but still believe that your body has it's own energies!
 
Hi all, thank you for your comments, very interesting. I did explain to the client what the treatment would involve, where it originated from and the principles involved, and asked if she was happy with that which she was. The treatment itself was enjoyable and did have some positive results. The reason for the enquiry was a referral from a friend who has benefitted from reflexology. I agree with Azalia in that it is non denominational and I personally would have thought that energy flow within the body was a thing to admire.

(Tiger skin loincloth, why didn't I think of that!?)

Thanks again for your comments.

Best wishes
 
This is really interesting.

I had a very strange reaction from a girl I know who has a beauty salon, she is only in her 30's and I used to go to get my eyebrows waxed etc.

Well, when I told her I was setting up doing various holistic therapies she came over all funny (at first I thought she maybe didn't want competition, but she doesn't do anything I do anyway)

Then she started on about how it was "the devil's work" and "evil spirits" and that Reiki was part of a cult!!

I was totally gobsmacked. I knew she was RC in religeon but don't think that was anything to do with it. I was really surprised that someone so young could be so ignorant about holistic therapies (esp as more people in the beauty industry are taking up reflexology and reiki etc).

Her reaction was so strong that I haven't been back since which is a shame as I had been going to her for years.

Just goes to show the diversity in feelings that folk have.

Patchouli
 
Hi,
interesting stuff.... I treat a family who mentioned to their priest(RC) and the Cannon....not sure if thats the correct term....that they were having Reiki/Reflexology....it was met with interest and support....the preist even asked where I was located!

Lisa x
 
I personally think it is all universal & suits all walks of life with a open mind. but as a pagan if someone came to me as a pagan clientand wanted that pagan healing work etc to be part of the therapies then I would include it as I'm able to do so. I do not hide my pentagram & my clients can see it if they wish to question it or look the symbolism up.

I think if they of that mind set that complementary medicine ispart of a cult or black magic (magic is neutral, its what the practitioner does with it that counts & their own values!) then their own self healing won't occur. It suggests a mind not fully open.

I have got to agree with patchouli though, any business person I do deal with that is strongly religeous does & wouldput me off if they give me their personal views. As a practitioner it would be very easy to lose clients by doing this. You have to stay totally neutral unless invited to discuss your faith and I think even then stay chilled. It's a very personal thing & not wholely appropriate for a therapy situation.
 
I do not think it is religion per se that is the problem but rather the mindset of the individual, as Wildwitchy says it depends on whether that person has an open mind. I do a lot of work for people with mental health problems and I recently had a conversation with a wonderful man in his 70's, he asked me to explain what Reflexology was as he had tried Reiki and Shiatsu and hoped to come and see me next. He never misses Mass and prays every day, he told me that he doesn't want to keep taking the drugs, he believes that natural ways are best.
 
There is nothing like the tolorent Christian is there...sometime I wounder how the reliegeon has survived this long. I really feel sorry for people with such narrow minded attitudes.

I a Pagan and except everyone for what they are, but I cant understand the gross intolorence of the Christian reliegeon. Even though I cant spell reliegeon...doh
 
Hi all
I find that treating the person holistically fills a gap many seem to have a need for. Combining being a Christian with holistic practices should not cause a problem. If you look at church history you will see astrology and astronomony used in great abundance.
 
Hi all

Interesting note though re the client as devout christian, what about the other religions who may phone up re a treatment. Would they phone up or call to see you?

John
 
Personally I'm an hermetician and rosicrucian as well as a ceremonial magickian.

I consider myself what could be called a gnostic christian.

For me the experiences I've had out from what I learnt within the hermetic and rosicrucian as well as other magickal teachings have made the greatest impact on my life and helped me become more spiritual, understand the laws of the univese, which helps you get a good life, karma, fortune and so on. The good thing is that these are principles and laws that can be followed, and one will see them come in effect and change your life for the better.

I reccmand the movie "The Secret"
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tue Blu? ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€”34D Cici, Cindy, Coco, JPN Yui, Echo, 36D Amber, Anita & Korean Lunaโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  34. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWeclome to wonder spa(9421Jane st unit 127)Rmt available Tuesday and Wednesday,sexy girl Tina and very beautiful girl Mimi ,Friendly Lucy on the duty,they both do very nice treatment and excellent finish,โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800must try today๐Ÿ‘™๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ’„
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธKandy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธClaireCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. Sparkling Spa:
    Sasa is working at Sparkling Spa with Zoe today Tuesday November 5th. Real pictures of Sasa & Zoe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏCall or text to book appointment ๐Ÿ“ฒ โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž This is the official schedule for AMORE SPA: (Korean Ashley hasn't been here for AGES. The old confused imposter doesn't realize he has lost another customer, and continues to post errors and incorrect pics). Tuesday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY(10AM-11pm) & Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face
  40. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Anika , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. ASPA:
    TUESDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Best Massage Rachel, & Wendy ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4โ€ tall with nice responsive 34Cโ€™s and a captivating smooth rounded bottom. She is popular for her excellent massage skills and a little extra.
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: CICI, CINDY & JENNY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CARA, MIMI & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly with a host of services. MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services.
  45. See You Health Center:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl She is 5โ€™2โ€tall . 100Lbs, with D Cup Melons Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  46. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Barbie Very Young, very Petite Korea Student With Perfect S shape type Spicy Smoking Hot Body Great BBBJ, CIM, GFE in Her menu Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Sexy tight body amazing C cups with Those incredible nipples โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting
  48. Sunrise Health Centre:
    Tiana & Noor are here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Ivy 30โ€™s open mind with big buttocks and young Cute Mia 25โ€™s , pretty GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
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