Seeking help treating stiff necks

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I was wondering if any of you here could share some information regarding what you have found successful in treating really stiff necks. You now, the dreaded "torticollis" clients. I feel like my work in this area could use some improvement so any help would be appreciated.

If you could recommend any DVD's, books, classes or protocols I would be very grateful. I have been treating people with this for years and sometimes I can make it better and other times I am not sure I have made any difference at all and that's frustrating.

Anybody got an magic fool proof remedies they'd like to share?
 


Breathing exercises during stretches. Inhale, hold the breath, then they exhale as you work your hand down the length of their neck, on into their traps, to their shoulder.

Work each muscle in the neck, working both up and down in your strokes. Release each TrPt.

There's a gruesome one just below and to the left and right of the client's neck that I work supine. Once you've contacted it, have them shrug their shoulder up toward their head--a fellow MT showed me that one, and it dang near killed me, but it cleared it out like nothing else.

Subscaps are crucial on about 95% of the people I work on. Work medially and laterally.

Finally, as odd as it may sound, clear the TrPts at the medial tendons just below the knees. My clients report on a regular basis how effective it is, and when it was done to me, I could actually feel my neck releasing.

That's my two cents...
 


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....CranioSacral Therapy. I know, shocking isn't it?
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CST helps to address the muscular and facial component as well as the nervous system involvement - helping release facilitated segments. Working with imagery and dialogue can help the release process.

Also, if the torticollis is acquired (vs congenital) CST can help find and release the underlying cause allowing for more effective treatment of the symptoms.

From a massage perspective it is very important to work the SCM (as well as scalenes, traps, etc,etc.) on the effected side. Massage and facilitated stretching can be very effective. It can be good to even teach the client how to properly stretch that side and to do contract-relax stretching on their own.
 


If it is 'torticollis', SCM on the affected side will be tight.


The best thing you can do for treating necks is understand posture. Not just at the head but over the entire body. DON'T CHASE PAIN! To many therapists just say "okay, it hurts there so I will massage there". In stead, try to find out WHY it hurts and then work on that. Why is their head tilted to the side and why does it hurt on the opposite side of their neck? Is it due to an upslip in the pelvis? A rotation at the pelvis? The muscles are painful because they are in a stretched position rather than a contracted one etc....

A symptom (like pain) just tells you something is wrong. It doesn't necessarily tell you WHAT is wrong.

Patrick
 


Oh Brian you slay me.... :lol: Thanks for the laugh, I needed it this morning!

And Patrick W, your reply reminds me of what John Barnes says, "Find the pain, look elsewhere for the cause."

elsewhere, hope you find a few gems from the thread to help your client...
 


Bowen work in conjunction with CST might be helpful. Had a severely spasming client that I referred out to a colleague who is extremely skilled with Bowen work. Between my CST and her Bowen work, the spasming subsided considerably.

That's not saying it will "fix" torticollis", but, it might just be able to give some relief.

Thought just came to mind: Is the individual with torticollis on meds? My autistic client is on meds that really, quite literally bend his neck so far to the side and then back that you would think it would snap off at the shoulders. When he's not on the meds, or they are greatly reduced, then the torticollis isn't so pronounced.


FWIW
 


Wow, this is all really helpful, thanks so much everyone. I appreciate the time you took to share your methods. Gives me some great stuff to think about.

You know what I have found to be one of the problems leading to this? Many of my clients with this symptom sit too long at a computer with their heads leaning stretched out over their necks as they hyper extend to lean towards the computer screen. Poor ergonomics. I see this with some people who do graphic design or edit films and sit in one place for 12 hours looking at a computer screen. Yikes!

But then there are other causes too. It's such a weird malady. maybe with your help I can be more successful in treating this.

Thanks again.
 


Positional release works well for a lot of my folks -- counter-intuitively taking the body farther in the direction of the spasm usually...also if a neck if cranked over like that, I often find that the fascia of the entire hand/arm/shoulder complex is also quite bound and shortened, so releasing all of that slowly FIRST helps a lot of my neck-bound folks.

Also maybe for those computer-using folks, think about which hand they're mousing with (if it's on the same side as the spasm, that's adding to the problem). And which is their dominant eye? That often contributes to the direction they're holding their head, even if the screen is right in front of them (which it often isn't).

Good grief could I say "folks" more often in one post
 


Also, with regard to the whole computer thing and hand they are mousing with.....

Look for typical signs of 'handedness posture' and the compensations that go along with that. Ask which hand the write with and which ear they hold the phone too. Typically people write with the same hand of the ear that they hold the phone too (and the phone is held by having that same side shoulder elevate and keep it into place). Think about how that causes them to shift weight at the pelvis and how that can rotate or upslip the pelvis, which then can have an affect on their normal posutre as they try and change head position to look straight, when the posture is crooked. Sitting all day furthers these postures as the hip flexors are in constant shortening. Think about how that can affect overall posture and what is happening at the neck.

What is your evaluation process like for those with nagging neck pain?

A great book that you may want to check out is by Florence Kendall, Muscles: Testing and Function with Pain and Posture

Patrick
 


Good stuff Patrick thanks. That book sounds like a good tool, I'll have to get it.

As far as my evaluation goes my situation is kind of weird. Most of my clients I have seen for many, many years (I don't take on many new clients at all anymore) and I already know them intimately so my evaluation is sort of an ongoing progression of my relationship with them. Most I see weekly or twice monthly which is great because communication is already established as well as intimate and I already know their bodies and hearts very well.

That said when they come in crooked I ask a lot of pertinent questions, check for rotation and flexibility and since I already know their personal life try to see how much stress they are under so I can figure out the root or radical cause of their impacted areas. Having that kind of open intuitive communication from a body/mind perspective has always been kind of how I approach things. In short my protocols can often vary from person to person.

Any other tips you might have would be much appreciated.
 


I like to begin with Lymph Drainage Therapy. I find that when the lymph is flowing, the muscles respond much more quickly to massage - the muscles just melt. PNF stretching after the massage is also a good way to test & release remaining restrictions.
 


I also like to address the SCM, especially on the affected side; then strip the scalenes bilaterally and follow them into the 1st and 2cnd ribs.
Then like the other posters I like using PNF or positional release.

Like BJB-LMP I have found that working the tight fascia along the shoulder girdle/arm/hand along with chest and upper thoracics seems to help to release the tightness in the neck.

While taking an advanced clinical massage class the instructor had us address the serratus anterior, that literally freed up my neck more than any other bodywork, whenever I work on someone with a chronic stiff/ sore neck I work their serratus a. and it usually gives them relief.
 


In my (admittedly limited) experience, it's the levator scapulae that is the usual culprit, especially when the person complains of a "crick." I'll cradle the neck with one hand while working on the same-side levator with the other. To find it, you'll need to search the transverse processes of the cervicals, looking for a ropey, squirmey muscle that's posterior to the SCM that can be pushed posteriorly to the transverse processes (which is a good way to trap it for deep work).

The best way to make contact with it consistently is to find it on yourself. One good way is to extend your shoulder as far as you can (reaching for a wall behind your butt, for instance) while palpating the side of your neck. This is basically just a way of elevating the scapula without overinvolving trapezius. Once you find it, feel how you can twang back and forth over it and follow it from the side of the neck to the superior angle of the scapula. On people with inflammation or high muscle tone, you can actually pinch and lift it.

To work this, I'll just sink in and hold for several seconds, then move an inch up or down and repeat until I've traveled the length. In someone with bad neck problems, I'll hold longer, waiting for them to indicate that sensation has decreased. I imagine that there are more sophisticated ways of working on it, so any tips would be appreciated.

The reason I feel so sure about this is the sheer number of people who exclaim, "that's it!" or "that's the pain" or "what the hell is that?"
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ nice girl Mia big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide,Lisa big butt deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking
  28. EMSpa_schedule:
    Here's tomorrow's sneak peek: For Friday October 18, 2024, our attendants will be Ada, Opal, Cici, Vicky and Lulu
  29. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ punjabi girl at IU wellness and beauty spa tommorow FRIDAY ๐Ÿ˜
  30. Shangri-la Spa:
    Thursday ๐Ÿ’œโŽShangri-la SpaโŽ ๐Ÿ’– the best place for luxury Asian massages in GTA๐ŸŽ‰Two fab spots Richmond Hill & Oakville A squad of 9 stunning girls from China, Hong Kong, Japan & Korea โ€” Coco, Selena, Tina, Ada,new Yoyo, big bottom Lulu,34D Busty Cici, JPN Yui & service queen Doris โ€” ready to spoil you silly๐Ÿง˜โ€โœจTable Shower special on now!๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆHit up 647-695-6354โ˜Ž or shoot a msg to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169.๐Ÿ’ฐโœจ Cruise on over to 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill. Let the fun times roll, baby!๐Ÿ™Œ
  31. SugarLoveSpa:
    โญ๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸโœจโœจ๐ŸŒŸ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿฆ‹๐Ÿฆ‹๐ŸŒŸyoung girl 20-23 years old, luna , tifany, cherry, jolie working now come to enjoy good time now baby come come now๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โญ๏ธ sugarlovespa.ca ๐ŸŒŸโœจ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐Ÿ’–
  32. YM203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Persian Turkish girl in Thursday and Saturday
  33. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  34. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Thursday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY, LILY & YOYO CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. color=#FF6600]LILY[/color] is a slim, elegant and beautiful Vietnamese honey, 5โ€™4โ€ tall with Nice pointy C Cups
  35. SunriseRH:
    THURSDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: NAYLA & YOYO . 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. ๐Ÿ’œYOYO๐Ÿ’œ is a young Chinese SUPERSTAR, beautiful face & very sexy petite body, who can satisfy your desires with her incredibly varied talents. SUNRISE SPA
  36. NewOriental:
    THURSDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & KAT. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. KAT is BEAUTIFUL, young & slim with C Cups , a tasty figure & a tasty menu. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong
  38. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience.
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded.
  40. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Rania ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธEMILY, LUCY & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services.
  42. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHERRY, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs with Bounteous D Cups. Real pics, unreal services! BBBJ, shower together, full menu. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups.
  44. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  45. See You Health Center:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl Lin Very Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธTina ๐ŸŒธCassy ๐ŸŒธRebecca โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  47. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Ivy with big buttocks open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Tina with curvy body 30s, pretty GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธLulu ๐ŸŒธValentina ๐ŸŒธLuna โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MONIKA, SANA, ANGEL, KAVYA, PAYAL PEARL, SARIKA, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
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