Torn arch ligament

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Potential client has been dealing with a torn arch ligament for over a year. His doctor is trying to treat him without surgery but he is still on his feet every day as he can't miss work more than a cpl weeks. He did take 2 weeks off to rest it, but it is still giving him problems. He is on pain meds and has had injections but no massage, or physical therapy. He says in the mornings it is fine, but by 3:00 in the afternoon the pain is excruciating. The doctor has him using a very high arch support to keep weight from his heel and he's taking Naproxin.

Can I do light massage? Do I need doctor's permission?
 


Do you know which ligament of the foot is the sprain located? How bad was the tear? Since it's been over a year, it's about time he gets some massage work! Anyway, you can probably feel where the sprain was, especially if it was that bad, you will probably feel it in the tissues. I would work all surrounding areas up into the knee and hip region because a year of limping has really affected his gait by now! The areas of compensation should probably be worked on first before hitting the adhesions of the actual injury.

Once all that has been worked a little, then I would get into that area of the sprain and use dtf followed by stripping and compressions over the specific area. And just do a little at first and there shouldn't be a lot of pain, when it feels painful, then move on. He should come in to see you once or twice a week for a half hour (for the whole leg/hip. On the injury start out with about several minutes progressing to five to ten minutes) until he starts feeling better. If you know any myofascial techniques, that's a great way to start deeper work and also to finish at the end of the session.

Although it's probably out of your scope, he should be wearing a soft arch support and not the hard plastic ones. The hard plastic ones don't provide any give and prevent the injury from full recovery. Some other considerations, what type of work does he do? Also, if the injections were cortocosteroids, those have been shown to break down tissues so that can work against him if he has them too often.
 


Thanks for your reply!

I don't know any specifics as I saw him limping while in a store and he and his friend were discussing how tired he was of his foot hurting. I introduced myself and we struck up a conversation about it right there. So I have no specifics of exactly what muscle as he didn't remember (only that it was from heel to arch). I don't know what inserts he is using either but if he books an appt. I'll find out more then. Not sure what type of work he does other than he is on his feet all day which isn't productive to healing.
 


Just stick to working with his tissues to bring some relief.

Don't openly question his doctor's recommendations regarding the arch support, as you don't know what information his MD is working with. Hard arch supports may well be a better choice depending on specific pathology and seforum.xxxe of recovery. If you suspect that his arch supports are inappropriate, refer him back to his medical pros or suggest getting a second opinion from another qualified medical pro.

I am actually quite surprised he hasn't been to physical therapy, and I'd recommend that he explore the possibility. A good PT could work with him in ways that you don't, and probably speed up his recovery.

For bodywork, I strongly agree with working the whole foot, ankles, knees, legs, hips, etc. He'll have lots of compensatory patterns by now. Go slow and gently in the areas where he has had the most damage. Get as much info on extent and location of the injury as possible.

If you know how, take some time to work with his interossei, both dorsal and plantar, in both feet. Many feet suffering from chronic pain tend to have loads of issues with the interossei.

Check for signs of hypertonic calves too. You may need to do some stretching of gastrocs and soleus. If you can, teach him how to stretch them properly between sessions. Stick to AIS, PNF, or CRAC stretching methods, these are reasonably simple and safe. The old static stretching approach is probably not going to work well for this client, and it would be easy for him to overstretch and cause more harm.

Last, see if you can get this client to provide you with the doctor's contact info, and get permission to make a call. If you can, introduce yourself and let him/her know you're starting to work with this client. Learn all you can about the specifics of the injury and what the physician thinks is going on. This simple step can save you loads of guesswork and may serve to establish a measure of professional courtesy that could turn into referrals later. :)

Have fun!
 


JasonE said:
Just stick to working with his tissues to bring some relief.

Don't openly question his doctor's recommendations regarding the arch support, as you don't know what information his MD is working with. Hard arch supports may well be a better choice depending on specific pathology and seforum.xxxe of recovery. If you suspect that his arch supports are inappropriate, refer him back to his medical pros or suggest getting a second opinion from another qualified medical pro.

I am actually quite surprised he hasn't been to physical therapy, and I'd recommend that he explore the possibility. A good PT could work with him in ways that you don't, and probably speed up his recovery.

For bodywork, I strongly agree with working the whole foot, ankles, knees, legs, hips, etc. He'll have lots of compensatory patterns by now. Go slow and gently in the areas where he has had the most damage. Get as much info on extent and location of the injury as possible.

If you know how, take some time to work with his interossei, both dorsal and plantar, in both feet. Many feet suffering from chronic pain tend to have loads of issues with the interossei.

Check for signs of hypertonic calves too. You may need to do some stretching of gastrocs and soleus. If you can, teach him how to stretch them properly between sessions. Stick to AIS, PNF, or CRAC stretching methods, these are reasonably simple and safe. The old static stretching approach is probably not going to work well for this client, and it would be easy for him to overstretch and cause more harm.

Last, see if you can get this client to provide you with the doctor's contact info, and get permission to make a call. If you can, introduce yourself and let him/her know you're starting to work with this client. Learn all you can about the specifics of the injury and what the physician thinks is going on. This simple step can save you loads of guesswork and may serve to establish a measure of professional courtesy that could turn into referrals later. :)

Have fun!

Thanks for all your advice as I will certainly keep it in mind. I couldn't hide my surprise that he hadn't had any physical therapy at all. I did mention that I felt PT could be beneficial to his treatment. He may not even book with me but I wanted to be prepared in case he does. I appreciate the feedback from you and Kathryn. Thanks...

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    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (10am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. KITTY (1pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body
  38. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Tuesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Lucy Q smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience ๐Ÿ˜ปgive you comfortable warm time๐Ÿ”ฅ
  39. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  40. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 3 young girls are working today, young sweet Mia 25โ€™s with curve body , young cute Sophia slime 30โ€™s and flirty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  41. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. CINDY is slim
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, MIMI, JENNY & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services. JENNY is a sweet & young Korean girl with C Cups. Very versatile services.
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Gorgeous Busty Boobs Taiwan๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ Girl Angel working with Sexy Exotic Filipina๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญGirl Molly & Sweet Shy Pretty Girl Kitty๐Ÿ˜ป and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  46. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We have two girls working today. Kiki and Bella. They are both short, young, pretty, with lovely smiles and good massage.
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  48. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Sami Vietnamese Girl Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite girlโ€จโ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  50. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: ๐ŸŒนSuperstar Bobo and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
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