Opinion Times are changing

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From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.

Why go to Qqsquare when Korean agencies and Premier is the better choice
 
Even premier isn't what it used to be since covid and seduction hit the scene. Letting seduction girls into premier ruined it.

Yeah agree that Premier is not what it used to be which is why I don't go as much. But it's still waaaaay better than Qq. So are Korean agencies.
 
Seems cyclical to me. The downturn will not be permanent. there are many "Milf" type women with large following and places that have a strong regular customer base. It's when these older clients stop going that major shifts will occur. This game is one of chess and not checkers.

The consumer should be discriminating and know what it is you want. The relationship for the most part should be symbiotic to ensure availability.

But I wax intellectual on this subject LOL

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There is nothing special about QQ and the likes. Mostly, over priced, underfed girls. Go to QQ locations and most of the girls are available at all times. As for the rest of the places, it is getting way slower but price is gauging level. I visited few places just yesterday and girls are asking now $200/hh; But when I walked some lowered their price to $140. It is going to be brutal as the recession sets in.
 
There is nothing special about QQ and the likes. Mostly, over priced, underfed girls. Go to QQ locations and most of the girls are available at all times. As for the rest of the places, it is getting way slower but price is gauging level. I visited few places just yesterday and girls are asking now $200/hh; But when I walked some lowered their price to $140. It is going to be brutal as the recession sets in.
I guess you are not a promoter and just a hobbyist, go see a few threads here you will see people are lining up outside of these spas to see milfs they offer as if people donโ€™t have much batter things to do, could be a marketing strategy.. but if you analyze the whole scenario in Markham/Rh area 7/8 out of 10 spas are struggling to survive or just survivingโ€ฆ hardly any owner making money other than the girls who make decent tips ..
 
OP I agree with some of the stuff you said, i been noticing that too... @PornPrince i think the reason why some people rather go QQ than agencies is because of the process you need to get set up, etc. Its not as simple as just walking in to the spa take a look and if you like you go ahead with it. You gotta pay before hand at agencies and i feel the risk of getting caught by police is way embarrassing. I kinda stopped going to those lower end FS places just because yeah i noticed they been asking almost $180 with room fee, i rather just spend the extra $20 to go to a newer and cleaner building at QQsquare and get the consistent service with younger girls, and what i mean by hygiene is they are consistent with the showers + mouthwash, some places i dont even see them use mouthwash like Candy spa, it creeps me out afterwards all those guys she gave BBBJ too.... yuck ๐Ÿคข
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.
We are in a recession so this is normal. Wealth gap will grow so some will have the money to pay at places like QQ and the grannies who need money will work at the semi legits promoted here.

What is surprising to me is how they can operate so publicly. As degenerate as I am I do not want to see these places operate so openly so close to me and rather have them keep up the facade of being just a massage place instead of a fuck shop.
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.

The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.
 
The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.
Quite an astute observation and is in line with what I have observed in many places especially those with a large regular customer base.

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The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.

LOL! your comment made me laugh because as i was walking out of a granny spa [suko spa in richmond hill] yesterday i saw two seniors well into their 60's leave the senior day care center on the same plaza go right into the spa

agree with you on the demographic analysis though. gen z wont have the money and are still young enough to pursue civvie girls so they wont be customers and milennials are all feeling the recession effects.
 
I guess you are not a promoter and just a hobbyist, go see a few threads here you will see people are lining up outside of these spas to see milfs they offer as if people donโ€™t have much batter things to do, could be a marketing strategy.. but if you analyze the whole scenario in Markham/Rh area 7/8 out of 10 spas are struggling to survive or just survivingโ€ฆ hardly any owner making money other than the girls who make decent tips ..
I agree that the girls can survive by seeing just 1 or 2 customers a day; but not enough traffic to support the owners profitability or survival. That is why these hoes are jacking up their price to make the most out of the few clients they see daily. In fact, Seduction, Premier and other spa hoes are trying to do the same, gauging the few simps that walks in. In the end, there will be less frequent visits, price keeps rising up till it all dries up. I see the same issues on the SP industry as well, less hobbyist, more hoes, higher price. The time will come soon, there will be a downward price war once they realize the clients are disappearing fast. A well know Indy, almost PSE type service, just told me, her business is drying up quickly.
 
OP I agree with some of the stuff you said, i been noticing that too... @PornPrince i think the reason why some people rather go QQ than agencies is because of the process you need to get set up, etc. Its not as simple as just walking in to the spa take a look and if you like you go ahead with it. You gotta pay before hand at agencies and i feel the risk of getting caught by police is way embarrassing. I kinda stopped going to those lower end FS places just because yeah i noticed they been asking almost $180 with room fee, i rather just spend the extra $20 to go to a newer and cleaner building at QQsquare and get the consistent service with younger girls, and what i mean by hygiene is they are consistent with the showers + mouthwash, some places i dont even see them use mouthwash like Candy spa, it creeps me out afterwards all those guys she gave BBBJ too.... yuck ๐Ÿคข

I agree that it can be hassle visiting an SP which is why I prefer spas myself.
The reason I would never go to Qq is because the service is shit. Zero sensuality and just an assembly line session. The girls are ugly too and only look good in their massively photo shopped pics.
 
With the high housing costs and high interest rates many millennials are opting out of purchasing a home. Many have decent jobs too.

With this many have disposable income. I'm no millennial far from it but can see my nephews using their disposable income for more fun activities.
 
I agree that the girls can survive by seeing just 1 or 2 customers a day; but not enough traffic to support the owners profitability or survival. That is why these hoes are jacking up their price to make the most out of the few clients they see daily. In fact, Seduction, Premier and other spa hoes are trying to do the same, gauging the few simps that walks in. In the end, there will be less frequent visits, price keeps rising up till it all dries up. I see the same issues on the SP industry as well, less hobbyist, more hoes, higher price. The time will come soon, there will be a downward price war once they realize the clients are disappearing fast. A well know Indy, almost PSE type service, just told me, her business is drying up quickly.
it comes down who is more desperate, spa or the customers. I say the spa. Customers always get the final say. if you are going to charge an arm and a leg, the service better be good otherwise there won't be repeats. in the short term, the spa may thrive with the hike in revenue. in the long run not so much. At the end of the day every industry will be like: survivial of the fittest. those who can survive the competition will continue, those cannot will be eliminated eventually.
 
Perhaps we will end up like Amsterdam. Very few massage places but tons of fuck shops that are not crazy expensive
 
With the high housing costs and high interest rates many millennials are opting out of purchasing a home. Many have decent jobs too.

With this many have disposable income. I'm no millennial far from it but can see my nephews using their disposable income for more fun activities.
Disposable income is the key and the stats Canada says that one needs to make around 40 bucks an hour to afford to live in GTA, now letโ€™s take that the top 2% make more than 200k a year and not all are hobbyists ๐Ÿ˜Š,
I friend I know make 240k family income and bought a place in Toronto 2 yeas ago , he is paying around 6.5k on mortgage itself while their after tax income is 11.5 k /month ,
We were at my place last week and he was casually joking that will have to drive Uber now , it has come to that point
 
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    :wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica sexy body,deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily Q,friendly,amazing massage,happy the end,really popular,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ
  28. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Take a peek on Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Jennifer, Tina and Kitty will be there to ignite all your desires. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  29. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Thursday May 29, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Vicky ๐Ÿ˜, Sophie ๐Ÿ˜ and Monica ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  30. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  31. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Viennese ๐Ÿ’–Filipino ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  32. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  33. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  34. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  43. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  44. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
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