Opinion Times are changing

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From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.

Why go to Qqsquare when Korean agencies and Premier is the better choice
 
Even premier isn't what it used to be since covid and seduction hit the scene. Letting seduction girls into premier ruined it.

Yeah agree that Premier is not what it used to be which is why I don't go as much. But it's still waaaaay better than Qq. So are Korean agencies.
 
Seems cyclical to me. The downturn will not be permanent. there are many "Milf" type women with large following and places that have a strong regular customer base. It's when these older clients stop going that major shifts will occur. This game is one of chess and not checkers.

The consumer should be discriminating and know what it is you want. The relationship for the most part should be symbiotic to ensure availability.

But I wax intellectual on this subject LOL

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There is nothing special about QQ and the likes. Mostly, over priced, underfed girls. Go to QQ locations and most of the girls are available at all times. As for the rest of the places, it is getting way slower but price is gauging level. I visited few places just yesterday and girls are asking now $200/hh; But when I walked some lowered their price to $140. It is going to be brutal as the recession sets in.
 
There is nothing special about QQ and the likes. Mostly, over priced, underfed girls. Go to QQ locations and most of the girls are available at all times. As for the rest of the places, it is getting way slower but price is gauging level. I visited few places just yesterday and girls are asking now $200/hh; But when I walked some lowered their price to $140. It is going to be brutal as the recession sets in.
I guess you are not a promoter and just a hobbyist, go see a few threads here you will see people are lining up outside of these spas to see milfs they offer as if people donโ€™t have much batter things to do, could be a marketing strategy.. but if you analyze the whole scenario in Markham/Rh area 7/8 out of 10 spas are struggling to survive or just survivingโ€ฆ hardly any owner making money other than the girls who make decent tips ..
 
OP I agree with some of the stuff you said, i been noticing that too... @PornPrince i think the reason why some people rather go QQ than agencies is because of the process you need to get set up, etc. Its not as simple as just walking in to the spa take a look and if you like you go ahead with it. You gotta pay before hand at agencies and i feel the risk of getting caught by police is way embarrassing. I kinda stopped going to those lower end FS places just because yeah i noticed they been asking almost $180 with room fee, i rather just spend the extra $20 to go to a newer and cleaner building at QQsquare and get the consistent service with younger girls, and what i mean by hygiene is they are consistent with the showers + mouthwash, some places i dont even see them use mouthwash like Candy spa, it creeps me out afterwards all those guys she gave BBBJ too.... yuck ๐Ÿคข
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.
We are in a recession so this is normal. Wealth gap will grow so some will have the money to pay at places like QQ and the grannies who need money will work at the semi legits promoted here.

What is surprising to me is how they can operate so publicly. As degenerate as I am I do not want to see these places operate so openly so close to me and rather have them keep up the facade of being just a massage place instead of a fuck shop.
 
From my perspective the times are changing when it comes to the Spa scene. On the business side Supply has exceeded Demand and we are are the down side of the Bell curve. In Markham there are way too many places that I would describe as Semi Legit.......some good and some not so good. Major intersections have signs shoved into the grass offering low ball prices. Just yesterday I saw one that offered a 30 minute massage for $19.99. What does that tell you? Places that I have some intel on are only getting a handful of customers per day and are struggling to stay afloat. The granny and milf places are not going to survive and will disappear, they just can't get new young talent. I think in the future someone will go to a Legit or Rmt massage place for a solid massage. If someone are looking for something more they will likely visit a place like QQ Square.
Young ladies that want to make a lot of money in a short time will work at places like QQ, make their money and disappear.

Just my opinion guys.

The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.
 
The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.
Quite an astute observation and is in line with what I have observed in many places especially those with a large regular customer base.

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The boomers which represent a large part of the customer base are dying off or not able to hobby because of health issues. Gen X numbers pale in comparison and Millenials are probably just getting by with paying mortgages. Too many spas competing for a declining customer base.

LOL! your comment made me laugh because as i was walking out of a granny spa [suko spa in richmond hill] yesterday i saw two seniors well into their 60's leave the senior day care center on the same plaza go right into the spa

agree with you on the demographic analysis though. gen z wont have the money and are still young enough to pursue civvie girls so they wont be customers and milennials are all feeling the recession effects.
 
I guess you are not a promoter and just a hobbyist, go see a few threads here you will see people are lining up outside of these spas to see milfs they offer as if people donโ€™t have much batter things to do, could be a marketing strategy.. but if you analyze the whole scenario in Markham/Rh area 7/8 out of 10 spas are struggling to survive or just survivingโ€ฆ hardly any owner making money other than the girls who make decent tips ..
I agree that the girls can survive by seeing just 1 or 2 customers a day; but not enough traffic to support the owners profitability or survival. That is why these hoes are jacking up their price to make the most out of the few clients they see daily. In fact, Seduction, Premier and other spa hoes are trying to do the same, gauging the few simps that walks in. In the end, there will be less frequent visits, price keeps rising up till it all dries up. I see the same issues on the SP industry as well, less hobbyist, more hoes, higher price. The time will come soon, there will be a downward price war once they realize the clients are disappearing fast. A well know Indy, almost PSE type service, just told me, her business is drying up quickly.
 
OP I agree with some of the stuff you said, i been noticing that too... @PornPrince i think the reason why some people rather go QQ than agencies is because of the process you need to get set up, etc. Its not as simple as just walking in to the spa take a look and if you like you go ahead with it. You gotta pay before hand at agencies and i feel the risk of getting caught by police is way embarrassing. I kinda stopped going to those lower end FS places just because yeah i noticed they been asking almost $180 with room fee, i rather just spend the extra $20 to go to a newer and cleaner building at QQsquare and get the consistent service with younger girls, and what i mean by hygiene is they are consistent with the showers + mouthwash, some places i dont even see them use mouthwash like Candy spa, it creeps me out afterwards all those guys she gave BBBJ too.... yuck ๐Ÿคข

I agree that it can be hassle visiting an SP which is why I prefer spas myself.
The reason I would never go to Qq is because the service is shit. Zero sensuality and just an assembly line session. The girls are ugly too and only look good in their massively photo shopped pics.
 
With the high housing costs and high interest rates many millennials are opting out of purchasing a home. Many have decent jobs too.

With this many have disposable income. I'm no millennial far from it but can see my nephews using their disposable income for more fun activities.
 
I agree that the girls can survive by seeing just 1 or 2 customers a day; but not enough traffic to support the owners profitability or survival. That is why these hoes are jacking up their price to make the most out of the few clients they see daily. In fact, Seduction, Premier and other spa hoes are trying to do the same, gauging the few simps that walks in. In the end, there will be less frequent visits, price keeps rising up till it all dries up. I see the same issues on the SP industry as well, less hobbyist, more hoes, higher price. The time will come soon, there will be a downward price war once they realize the clients are disappearing fast. A well know Indy, almost PSE type service, just told me, her business is drying up quickly.
it comes down who is more desperate, spa or the customers. I say the spa. Customers always get the final say. if you are going to charge an arm and a leg, the service better be good otherwise there won't be repeats. in the short term, the spa may thrive with the hike in revenue. in the long run not so much. At the end of the day every industry will be like: survivial of the fittest. those who can survive the competition will continue, those cannot will be eliminated eventually.
 
Perhaps we will end up like Amsterdam. Very few massage places but tons of fuck shops that are not crazy expensive
 
With the high housing costs and high interest rates many millennials are opting out of purchasing a home. Many have decent jobs too.

With this many have disposable income. I'm no millennial far from it but can see my nephews using their disposable income for more fun activities.
Disposable income is the key and the stats Canada says that one needs to make around 40 bucks an hour to afford to live in GTA, now letโ€™s take that the top 2% make more than 200k a year and not all are hobbyists ๐Ÿ˜Š,
I friend I know make 240k family income and bought a place in Toronto 2 yeas ago , he is paying around 6.5k on mortgage itself while their after tax income is 11.5 k /month ,
We were at my place last week and he was casually joking that will have to drive Uber now , it has come to that point
 
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  30. Double_Tree:
    โค๐Ÿ’ข4271 Sheppard Avenue east ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’–โฃTuesday,๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’— Nina, ๐Ÿ‘Œtall and full build, very experienced touch that will relax you and relieve all stress.โค๐Ÿ’ฅ โ€ŠXixi,๐Ÿ’‹ medium height and build and nicely curved. Pretty, dark hair to shoulder. over the top finish+. ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฅ ๐Ÿ“ž 416 293-5071๐Ÿ“ž
  31. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  32. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, โ™ฅ๏ธRICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Yoga Lucy, Killer Kelly, Adorable Eva, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญLUCY AND KELLY๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  33. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Superstar Bobo, New Pretty Amanda, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  34. pickyreviewerr:
    Blackpink wellness center in Vaughan - 647-395-3188 four Amazing girls to serve you today. Newly renovated, great rooms with shower ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ :heart5
  35. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: โค๏ธAngela, โค๏ธOlivia, โค๏ธLisa and โค๏ธKitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  36. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Tuesday May 27, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿคฉ, Christina ๐Ÿ‘, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Ivy ๐Ÿ˜, Monica ๐Ÿ˜ and Connie ๐Ÿคฉ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  38. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Monday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Top Star Jenny, ๐Ÿ†• Elsa, Coco, Eva, Cindy, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, Yoyo, JPN Yui & Juliet โ€” ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  40. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair mina smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience โค๏ธvery sexy Vietnamese girl Amy,open maid,amazing the end,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿฅคall awesome massage ๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSamy๐ŸŒธPriya๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธIvy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. DareDevil:
    366 ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New young RMT student Helen, Fun girl Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ APPLE AND HELEN๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  43. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธCarly๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  44. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JESSIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  45. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  46. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NANCY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  47. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask question :heart4 :heart4 :heart4
  48. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  49. AliceSpa:
    3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SKY (10:30am-9pm): is Part time girl from Indonesia, petite 5'2", B Cup, 100 Lbs, long black hair, new to the biz.Young, fresh/cute, pretty, submissive, slim tiny waist, fair skin. bbbj
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services...
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