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[TellMeAboutIt]

Welcome to the Edmonton forum, where you are a fag and I don't give a fuck.

I bet you’re a real charmer at dinner parties.

 

[TellMeAboutIt]

The way I see it, MT prices must significantly drop to keep the appointment slots full or they close the shops because the rent can't be paid due to no clients.
This Teriff tax will immediately slow our economy and impact jobs. No jobs or slow down in the labour force = only affordable play time. Imported 25% higher cost for goods and food will further impact the consumer's ability to play on a regular basis.

Even a terrible spa with few clients makes rent in the 1st week. Rent is $5-10k, and they make it in room fees alone in less than 10 days. There is no need for full rooms. 25 clients doing only a half hour makes $10,000.

 

[Sun&SandMan]

Even a terrible spa with few clients makes rent in the 1st week. Rent is $5-10k, and they make it in room fees alone in less than 10 days. There is no need for full rooms. 25 clients doing only a half hour makes $10,000.

I guess I must be a cheep guy! I would never drop $400.00 for a 1/2hr. LOL it takes me 20min just to get my shoes off.

 

[Hatake]

I wish I was able to see what goes behind the scenes business wise on how these spas work since I'm a bit of a numbers nerd lmao.

But ya, typically if prices go up and stay that way/continue to move upwards, there is just not enough market pressure from the demand side to have it lowered. Edmonton is just full really horny clients lol

 

[dicktracy3003]

I bet you’re a real charmer at dinner parties.

I am! I tell all sorts of stories about how you're a fag and I don't give a fuck.

 

[dicktracy3003]

Even a terrible spa with few clients makes rent in the 1st week. Rent is $5-10k, and they make it in room fees alone in less than 10 days. There is no need for full rooms. 25 clients doing only a half hour makes $10,000.

TL;DR
Income: $36,000/month
Minus:
Lease: $3,558/month
Utilities: $3,000/month
Water: $1,000/month
Internet: $120/month
Minimum wages: $10,800/month
Total costs: $18,478/month
Income - Costs = $17,522 Best Case Scenario

What cheap hash are you smoking pal?

I will use Rosewater as an example, because it is pretty mainstream and popular. At $50 for 30 minutes, the gross is $1,200 for 24 clients. Three attendants could service 24 clients in an 8 hours, so let's use that as our baseline.

So if they do 25 clients per day for 30 days they hit a grand total of $36,000.

Comparables in the area list at $35/sqft. Estimate 1,200 sqft puts us at $42,700/year for lease.

Epcor says the average small business uses $3,000 in electricity and natural gas per month.
Internet let's guess is $120/month
Water/sewage/waste is a third of my bill so I will guess $1,000 per month

We will say you have four girls working at minimum wage for eight hours per day, 3x8=24 work hours x $15= $360 in wages per day or $10,800.

Minus total costs from total income and we arrive at a gross income of $17,522. This is assuming 30 minute massage and 30 min to clean the room/ bill clients/ get the next client in and on the table, and also assume zero downtime throughout the day. Obviously we all know there are times when no one is at the studios or they have slow days, so this would be the absolute peak scenario. This also doesn't factor in building maintenance, start up inventory, complimentary drinks. someone has to wash and dry all the textiles, replacing towels/bedsheets/cloths, the cost of the massage oil... the list of expenses goes on and on.

Closing remarks: Yes, they can make rent in their first week, but not with few clients. They need clients lined up ready to go for the owner to make an above average salary. Thus, I think you and your bullshit statements are crackpot shit and you should go back to Toronto.

Last thought: Yes, I understand these businesses are sleazy and the girls work more than 8 hours and I am sure don't get an OT or paid vacation or stuff like that, and I am sure the owner takes a portion of tips. I am just estimating based on legitimate and legal numbers and assumptions. Anyone, if something is wrong, please correct me. Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor. Do not buy a massage studio based on the bullshit I am spouting.

 

[BeebeeBop]

TL;DR
Income: $36,000/month
Minus:
Lease: $3,558/month
Utilities: $3,000/month
Water: $1,000/month
Internet: $120/month
Minimum wages: $10,800/month
Total costs: $18,478/month
Income - Costs = $17,522 Best Case Scenario

What cheap hash are you smoking pal?

I will use Rosewater as an example, because it is pretty mainstream and popular. At $50 for 30 minutes, the gross is $1,200 for 24 clients. Three attendants could service 24 clients in an 8 hours, so let's use that as our baseline.

So if they do 25 clients per day for 30 days they hit a grand total of $36,000.

Comparables in the area list at $35/sqft. Estimate 1,200 sqft puts us at $42,700/year for lease.

Epcor says the average small business uses $3,000 in electricity and natural gas per month.
Internet let's guess is $120/month
Water/sewage/waste is a third of my bill so I will guess $1,000 per month

We will say you have four girls working at minimum wage for eight hours per day, 3x8=24 work hours x $15= $360 in wages per day or $10,800.

Minus total costs from total income and we arrive at a gross income of $17,522. This is assuming 30 minute massage and 30 min to clean the room/ bill clients/ get the next client in and on the table, and also assume zero downtime throughout the day. Obviously we all know there are times when no one is at the studios or they have slow days, so this would be the absolute peak scenario. This also doesn't factor in building maintenance, start up inventory, complimentary drinks. someone has to wash and dry all the textiles, replacing towels/bedsheets/cloths, the cost of the massage oil... the list of expenses goes on and on.

Closing remarks: Yes, they can make rent in their first week, but not with few clients. They need clients lined up ready to go for the owner to make an above average salary. Thus, I think you and your bullshit statements are crackpot shit and you should go back to Toronto.

Last thought: Yes, I understand these businesses are sleazy and the girls work more than 8 hours and I am sure don't get an OT or paid vacation or stuff like that, and I am sure the owner takes a portion of tips. I am just estimating based on legitimate and legal numbers and assumptions. Anyone, if something is wrong, please correct me. Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor. Do not buy a massage studio based on the bullshit I am spouting.

You agree then?

 

[dicktracy3003]

You agree then?

Is it a requirement to be completely fucking retarded to live in Ontario? Did you read the post? No, I don't agree, he's a fucked in the head moron.

 

[BeebeeBop]

Is it a requirement to be completely fucking retarded to live in Ontario? Did you read the post? No, I don't agree, he's a fucked in the head moron.

Your math is fine, but the inputs are crazy. Minimum wage? Are you that naive? Girls get room fees and tips. No minimum wage. $120 month internet? $3000 utilities AND $1000 water? It’s like you’re just inflating numbers to arrive at a pre-decided conclusion.

 

[dicktracy3003]

Your math is fine, but the inputs are crazy. Minimum wage? Are you that naive? Girls get room fees and tips. No minimum wage. $120 month internet? $3000 utilities AND $1000 water? It’s like you’re just inflating numbers to arrive at a pre-decided conclusion.

If you notice I didn't calculate tips because that should be going straight to the girl. I am only calculating what the business takes in and pays out. I inflated nothing. Those are Epcors estimates for utilities in Edmonton for a small business. Seems extra accurate when you think about how much more water and power a massage place would go through for showers, laundry, etc. I made up exactly zero of these numbers. So why don't you tell me what the numbers SHOULD be, you brain dead vegetable?

 

[dicktracy3003]

Anyone, if something is wrong, please correct me. Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor. Do not buy a massage studio based on the bullshit I am spouting.

If you read my last statement, it says if something is wrong please correct me. It doesn't say "tell me I am wrong AND unethical just to try and prove I am right" you stupid fuck. I blatantly said I could totally be wrong, so why would I inflate numbers just to prove myself right? Wow you are right in league with a down syndrome curling club for brains, aren't you?

 

[TellMeAboutIt]

I wish I was able to see what goes behind the scenes business wise on how these spas work since I'm a bit of a numbers nerd lmao.

But ya, typically if prices go up and stay that way/continue to move upwards, there is just not enough market pressure from the demand side to have it lowered. Edmonton is just full really horny clients lol

Women without business experience can open a spa then soon their driving expensive cars. That’s what I see from the outside.

 

[dicktracy3003]

Women without business experience can open a spa then soon their driving expensive cars. That’s what I see from the outside.

Wow dude, thanks for cracking the code. Holy fuck, you are retarded.

 

[Hatake]

Women without business experience can open a spa then soon their driving expensive cars. That’s what I see from the outside.

It's a bit more complicated than that, but if someone can open a spa and remain profitable with not a lot of business experience, than either they've got good business sense, the market isn't hard to be in, or it's just that easy lol. The spas that are all open now clearly are able to make enough money to stay afloat with the amount of clientele they see and at the rates they charge.

 

[TellMeAboutIt]

It's a bit more complicated than that, but if someone can open a spa and remain profitable with not a lot of business experience, than either they've got good business sense, the market isn't hard to be in, or it's just that easy lol. The spas that are all open now clearly are able to make enough money to stay afloat with the amount of clientele they see and at the rates they charge.

Spas make so much money, they can waste it and still be profitable. It makes me laugh when somebody guesses a spa went out of business because it was losing money. You have to be really dumb to lose money running a spa.

 

[TellMeAboutIt]

Wow dude, thanks for cracking the code. Holy fuck, you are retarded.

What a highly charming gentleman you are! Have a nice life.

 

[dicktracy3003]

What a highly charming gentleman you are! Have a nice life.

Go back to Toronto you cuck.

 

[TellMeAboutIt]

Go back to Toronto you cuck.

I find your advice less than uplifting so I tend to ignore it.

 

[dicktracy3003]

I find your advice less than uplifting so I tend to ignore it.

Oh, sorry! I didn't realize I was dealing with a little baby. I didn't mean it, little baby. Let's get your blankie and get you all tucked in, and I can tell you all about how handsome and smart you are, and how all the girls like you for your personality and definitely not your money. Here's your pootie little baby, suck on that and go to fucking sleep. In Toronto. You down syndrome fucking retard.

 

[bigbill]

European prices are all over the map, omg. My wife and I go to a spa in Lisbon where we get a couples massage with two attendants and an hour long session that is nothing short of amazing is $300. A nice hour massage for one person with a HE is $120 and the attendants are stunning.

We took a little trip to France, and holy hell, the same session would be closing in a thousand bucks, FOOOOOK! $250+ for a HE massage. Hard pass.