A little words from the wise, please? ? about being IC

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Hello everyone! Glad to be back around this neck of the woods, nice board changes!

I recently was blessed with the possibility of a new opportunity, a local resort/conference center (newly opened) would like me to have a presence there. At this point (just after the initial meeting) they are *thinking* of A. having me rent a space 1 or so days a week. or B. after about 10 minutes of visiting with the owners wife she mentioned she would like to convert one of their three bridal/jucuzzi suites into a massage/spa-like area. Area locals in the resort town would be booked, not just hotel guests.

The owners wife let me know she is an avid spa goer, and would very much like the room to be along the spa lines, we mentioned me leasing the room with a yearly contract, she mentioned bringing in a new therapist if it was a success, we tossed around a few cenerios I guess. I am pretty sure hers and my ideas for the place are quite similar. Its a large room, with a small semi-room for massage, jacuzzi in the corner, room for several seating areas and possibility of a 'private' patio that opens to the lake. I have absolutely NO budget at this point, for anything that either of us are thinking about. I am a bit confused. I have been on my own for years, I 'thought' I was an independant contracter at the beginging of my career but not so - and I ended up burned a little tiny bit. Since then I have been 100% on my own, I decorate the room, I handle my supplies and advertising. But I am still left wondering what the def. of IC is. I have been reading quite a few back posts...but I am not really finding definates. Just referances to IC work. I looked at the IRS site...but I get so lost in legal jargan, I just glaze over. :undecided:

I am meeting with them next week to go over business agreements and talk about how to best use the space/any space. I would like to present a few options to them, and I want these presentations to be appealing both to myself and my financial interests, as well as to them and theirs. Keeping in mind that I don't think I will be able to afford what that room is really worth, at this point in time.

Also at this point, I can not decorate/furnish the room (its empty) in a manner that fits the purpose. I have furniture from past office's, but they were small offices that were on their own - I have nothing grand, or even particularly nice or new. If I absolytely HAD to I COULD take a small amount of new money that my grandma offered, and I am good about making a decorating dollar stretch. But this place is NICE, and I don't really see dollar stretching working into their decor scheme. But I suppose whats mine is mine.


Now, I am a little confused. Do I have this right? As an Independant contractor:

They may or may not choose to decorate the room to their tastes, also outfitting it with some or all new equipment needed.

I may or may not pay a flat rate rent.

I may or may not pay them a perceneforum.xxxe of the massages I preform. 50/50 or 60 (for me)/40 is usuall? or 40/60?

Clients pay me, not the hotel. ALthough being able to pay via Credit Card is a nice option, they *could* pay with CC at the hotel desk. I am reimbursed, minus any fees.

They may bring in another therapist to use the space, if they like.

I pay all, or part of, the advertising costs.

I may or may not provide my own table/linens/oil and creams/additional service tools

I schedule myself, or they schedule their guests within an available schedule I give them.




I am just plain independant:

I pay a flat rent.

I take care of everything.

I schedule everything, they just see me coming and going.


Or:
Does just renting a room in their establishment make me an IC, no matter what other stipulations?

I guess I would love something between an employee and independant, I'm willing to give up some freedoms to work in a beautiful place that I didn't have to decorate and outfit. I always understood this to be an IC - but after reading some posts feel I may have had a wrong impression.


A few words fromthe wise please? Thanks!
 
A little words from the wise, please? ? about being IC

Not that I consider myself particularly "wise" , or even all that "experienced" with this stuff, but I can toss in a couple of thoughts.

If you are renting a room from them, that is exactly it. You rent the room. You decorate, you furnish, you book, you get paid. You pay them their rent, they "leave the lights on for ya". Anything more is by separate arrangement, and possibly makes you "not a tenant", but a contractor.

If you become an independent contractor, YOU set your hours, THEY set pretty much everything else. And in this situation, they will likely be the ones furnishing and decorating the room. THEIR job is to get YOU the work. This is also the more likely situation in which they'd possibly bring in another therapist, if it works out nicely for them. I can't see someone renting out the SAME room to two different therapists, unless the spa/resort actually also "rented" to y'all a furnished, decorated room, or set up a second massage room. I don't, personally, think I'd like that much. There is NO WAY I'd go and try to have another therapist come in and work out of the same room we're renting to our tenant. That's just not kool.

Sorry I'm not more help. Sounds like a neat possibility! Please let us know what happens!
 
A little words from the wise, please? ? about being IC

Pete, you have a point there. This is something we haven't gotten into- our tenant just rents for a flat monthly rate.
 
A little words from the wise, please? ? about being IC

MaybeMobile? said:
Now, I am a little confused. Do I have this right? As an Independant contractor:

They may or may not choose to decorate the room to their tastes, also outfitting it with some or all new equipment needed.

Decor is up to them. Equipment - in the strictest sense of the rules - is 100% up to you. If they provide it, they can charge you an equipment usage/rental fee and still keep you as an IC, but you have the option of bringing your own table every time.


MaybeMobile? said:
I may or may not pay a flat rate rent.
It's not rent if you are an IC. Lessees rent, ICs work for a fee or commission. Don't confuse the two.

MaybeMobile? said:
I may or may not pay them a perceneforum.xxxe of the massages I preform. 50/50 or 60 (for me)/40 is usuall? or 40/60?
You can pay % or Fee per service and be an IC. There is no usual. There is no "fair". We prefer fee per service. Figure out what your time is worth and ask for that, regardless of what they charge, earn or what ever.

MaybeMobile? said:
Clients pay me, not the hotel. ALthough being able to pay via Credit Card is a nice option, they *could* pay with CC at the hotel desk. I am reimbursed, minus any fees.
This is immaterial to the IC determination.

MaybeMobile? said:
They may bring in another therapist to use the space, if they like.
And they probably will like. Having a lease gives you exclusive use of the space during certain hours, being an IC gives you know such claim.

MaybeMobile? said:
I pay all, or part of, the advertising costs.
Depends. If you are promoting you at that location, then yes, that is your dime. If the advertising is promoting spa services at this resort, then they can pay and require you to kick in a % of the cost, or a fee from every service you do, etc.

MaybeMobile? said:
I may or may not provide my own table/linens/oil and creams/additional service tools.
If you don't, then they have the right -- and pretty much a legal obligation to keep your IC status -- to charge you for all of the above as a separate charge from the fee you earn.

MaybeMobile? said:
I schedule myself, or they schedule their guests within an available schedule I give them.
As long as you are dictating when you are available to them, then you are an IC.



MaybeMobile? said:
I am just plain independant:
Independent business.

MaybeMobile? said:
I pay a flat rent.
This would make you a lessee with a lease agreement. Does not matter if it is flat or % rent, you can have a lease.

MaybeMobile? said:
I take care of everything.
Immaterial. You can lease a furnished space, utlities included, along with table, linens, oils etc.

MaybeMobile? said:
I schedule everything, they just see me coming and going.
Again, can work both ways. Whether you are the only lessee or there are multiple lessees, then they can schedule for you -- included in the cost of your rent -- during the operating hours outlined in your lease (our lease requires our spa to be open 6 days a week from 10-6, Sundays and Holidays optional). Or they can leave it up to you. If there are multiples, it would be a mess tyring to leave it up to everyone to do.


Or:
MaybeMobile? said:
Does just renting a room in their establishment make me an IC, no matter what other stipulations?.
This makes you a lessee, regardless of other stipulations. Generally, leases can require more of you than being an IC can. That is not a bad thing -- jsut more rules.

MaybeMobile? said:
I guess I would love something between an employee and independant, I'm willing to give up some freedoms to work in a beautiful place that I didn't have to decorate and outfit..
Who wouldn't! You have not mentioned an employee relationship in any scenario above. Probably not the right arrangement for this kind of work.
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the
  32. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Kiki and Judy are at work. They are both young and pretty. They are great at deep and relaxing massages.
  33. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : New Girl Joy, Ellagant Ella, Hottie Hattie, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญHattie๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  34. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girl Jessica Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along with. Sasa friendly Vietnamese Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl
  35. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Friday April 25, 2025, our attendants will be Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ, Carla โค and Ada ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  36. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Michelle & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  37. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  38. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower body scrub Sea Salt Bath๐Ÿ‘every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Nice girl Mia โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 36 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, back walking has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will b
  40. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair very young beautiful Lily ,friendly smile,,slim body back. Walk,hot stone,cupping ,more experience โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ,must try
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, PAOLA, ASHA, ANGELINA, SONIA, SALMA, MEGAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  44. HollywoodSpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: CINDY, JENNY & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž CINDY is a slim & pretty lady with long dark hair and a pleasing personality. JENNY is slim, attractive, with a tight frame and service with a smile. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one.
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  46. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  48. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: ASHLEY is a beautiful slim Korean student, snow white skin, 5'2, 100 Lbs, natural C Cup, pink nipples, baby face & voice, can accomodate bbbj cim cof rim dfk, excellent services. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  49. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  50. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
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