a question of ethics?

Carmine

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Just wondering,

1) How do you guys feel about MPAs trying to upsell you from say a NR to BS? I made the mistake of going with more money than I wanted to spend and ended up leaving feeling regret. to me it was a good sign that the session wasn't worth it. Normally if the session is good I'll leave happy knowing that the money was well spent.

2) Now is it ethical for an mpa to do this? On the one hand she is just trying to make a living. On the other hand she is preying on my weakness. I'll be the first to admit that I am addicted to mps. But I think its a bit unfair for an mpa to push the issue after one has said no once (this was not the case in my sitch).

3) Now lets extend this question to the mp owners. Should they allow someone in if they have a problem? I mean a bartender would probably be looked down upon for serving an alcoholic a drink. Granted how's the mp owner to know that you have a problem.

I can certainly see both sides of the arguement so I wanted to extend this questions to the massageplanet.net community.
 
If I go into future shop not planning on buying anything and they "persuade" me into buying a TV, is the salesman responsible for my choice ?

Pushy salesmen can be annoying if you know what you want, but by the same token you may want to know what's available.
 
While we're at it, let's sue McDonald's for making us fat, sue the beer store for selling the beer that made us an alcoholic, sue the Internet for making me addicted to porn...You see where I'm going. Sorry frankcastle, but there's too much of this blaming other people crap in today's day and age. Is it ethical - HELL YES! That's there job - not to make sure we have a pleasant day, but to make as much money as possible, as is the purpose of everyone in commission sales. Now how do you accomplish this - by pleasing the customer, so as the respected Paul/IT has said, it is up to the girl to provide the service that she promises. But the question of ethics went out the window the minute that you walked through the door of a MP.
 
While it may not be a weakness the client is definitely at a disadvantage when being upsold. I know that IT and a few others do it in such a manner that is very casual and no pressure (from what I've read and experienced at least) however very few of these places are run like your establishment.

When purchasing any service the customer is usually at an advantage because they have the freedom to investigate the market. But when your lying naked on a table with a beautiful woman standing there naked your pretty much a captive audience. It's like going to the barber and in the middle of the haircut and being upsold (??) You need the barber to finish the haircut and you really want it to look nice. If giving him more money for the good gel is going to ensure his best effort than I'm thinking if I refuse, I maybe asking for his second best.

I don't spend $120-150 on my haircuts so my desire for the best possible session is financial and pretty much an ROI thing. Why doesn't the MPA just give the list up front and let the client know that if at any point he would like to upgrade just to let her know.

OK now I'm really high!!
 
Well, jump! Let's see if you can fly!

frankcastle, IMHO that is lame! You are trying to pass off your gullibility and desires as an some one else's ethical problem... "What will they think of next?"

Perry
 
Wait a sec guys,

I admitted that I played a key part in the whole thing. I am accepting responsibility for the money spent and the decision that I made. So no I'm not shifting the blame. My question was about once the client has selected a service and repeatedly declined another service they shouldn't be pressured or made to feel that they made the wrong choice. E.g. "oh is that all you want," "that's too bad," "we could have a lot more fun." "are you sure," etc. As this continued I started to feel that maybe I wouldn't be getting a good NR out of it. Then the BS turned out to be a mailed in and uninspired performance. No I wasn't expecting high mileage or anything like that but I have experience many fine slides and this wasn't one of them. Had the experience been good I would have left feeling fine but since it wasn't I left feeling pissed that I was suckered into a crappy massage.
 
I went to a spa ages ago on Wellsely, saw a fairly attractive attendant. After the flip, she asked me what extras I wanted. I asked her price (I hate surprises afterwards) and her quote was higher than average. I declined, but she wouldn't stop badgering me. I have no problem paying for extras, but when they are out of whack for the market, I decline.
I sensed that I was not going to obtain a satisfactory ending without paying the requested fee, so despite my misgivings, forked over the extra $$$. I left not feeling like I had a worthwhile session.
 
It often takes fortitude and strength of character to say "No!"

I think you little head took over control!

Perry's Law of Pussy: The price a man pays for pussy depends on which head he uses to make the decision.

Corollary #1: The price a girl gets for pussy depends upon which head she can persuade the man to use.

Perry
 
This is why I now stick to places like HFH. The girls (alright T) always ask upfront what you want. None of this half way thru bull. I don't like MPAs that offer the services halfway thru. But again, its poor customer service, not a matter of ethics.
 
I was recently told that the higher $$ service is much better and she wanted to do that more. I said its ok I will sit with my choice, she pouted, said its better to have service she likes and she will enjoy it . I was upset, massage over, service to start and she is suggesting that anything but the higher $$ service, she will not be happy and thus neither will I.. I went with it.. thinking otherwise my time and door fee was wasted already. Wasnt happy about it.
 
I had a similar experience that the MPA was trying to give me a much higher price tag, when I told her what I usually paid, she told me " why don't you go back to see such MPA"
 
pAUL - i SUED TO DO 1 HOUR nr'S NEVER HAD nICOLE OR bROOKE PRESSURE OR EVEN
 
Recipe for a good session:

When it's time for extras put the girl in a good mood by asking her what she would like and feel comfortable doing, don't ask how much it will cost, this will almost guarantee a good session, I find mentioning money in what we would like to turn into an intimate encounter puts a damper on things , wouldn't you agree? I mean the most you're going to get ripped off is what $20-$40 ? If it's not a good session simply don't repeat that's all.
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude
  39. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, PAOLA, ASHA, ANGELINA, SONIA, SALMA, MEGAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. HollywoodSpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: CINDY, JENNY & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž CINDY is a slim & pretty lady with long dark hair and a pleasing personality. JENNY is slim, attractive, with a tight frame and service with a smile. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one.
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  43. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  45. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: ASHLEY is a beautiful slim Korean student, snow white skin, 5'2, 100 Lbs, natural C Cup, pink nipples, baby face & voice, can accomodate bbbj cim cof rim dfk, excellent services. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  46. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  47. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  48. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  49. Funlooker:
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  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
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