Boundaries between massage and counselling

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I work part time as a reflexologist at a local mental charity. I worked with a new client today who was suffering with long-term depression and work related stress. She discussed her issues openly, and I tried to respond in ways that I would find helpful - suggesting local support groups, more positive ways of thinking about her situation, small changes she could make to her lifestyle. I also spoke about things that had helped me when I was going through a period of anxiety and work related stress. But I felt that the focus of the session had changed from a reflexology treatment into a counselling session.

For the next session I was thinking of (tactfully!) suggesting to the client that they would get more benefit from the treatment if they closed their eyes and tried to focus on relaxing. Then again, maybe the treatment is enabling the client to 'unload' and speak about their problems.

I am not a qualified counsellor and have made the client aware of this. But looking back involving myself in a discussion about the clients issues was probably sending out mixed messages. Then again, I think some discussion of the issues are appropriate, after all it is the main reason the client booked a treatment.

Any advice, constructive criticism or experiences on these matters would be much appreciated
 
Hi there
No matter how hard you try - as a caring therapist this will often be an issue for you - it is for me too. The important thing is not to advise anything that you're not qualified to - some clients will take on everything you say and will assume that you are qualified to advise them so make sure that you're not sharing opinions in the way you may do so with a friend. This is particularly important with clients that you see really regularly. It sounds to me that your advise to look into local support groups and small ways to look at things more positively was within our 'boundaries' as a complementary therapist and so often it just helps to offload so you undoubtedly helped just by listening - so don't be too hard on yourself.
 
Thanks for the reply 1246TEACH

With hindsight I think I definately went to far with my 'self-disclosure'. But i've read up on it, and can see why this is not a helpful approach, and I can see the reasons why I strayed over that boundary so I will be more aware of it next time.
 
It's hard not to let the boundaries slip sometimes. You have figured it out yourself and I think you're attitude of be more careful next time is a healthy one. You can forgive yourself and move on... after all, it's clear that if you let a boundary slip for once, it's purely because you are a caring person.

Thanks for sharing, I'm sure many others will have been there too.
 
Well, do try and get them to relax next time, but you may also wish to investigate getting a basic training in counselling, which will help you with your own boundaries.
 
Counselling skills are invaluable for a therapist, however, I'd not worry so much about ethical boundaries that are set purely for counsellors. There are many differences between being a therapist and being a counsellor. It is acceptable to offer advice and self-disclosure as a therapist. I have a better relationships with my clients who have a anxiety and depression than those with conditions I have no experience of such as M.S.
As long as the session was not dominated about you, I'd not worry.

Sometimes telling the client to relax when they are unable to makes them more stressed. Go with the flow and let the client guide the session.
 
Hi there

years ago, before ever going down the therapist path I found that I had a stream of friends continually knocking on my door and telling me about their problems. One day, as one friend was leaving another pulled up in her car and called out "put the kettle on I've had a terrible day". It was at this point I wondered what I was doing. Was I helping my friends and was I giving good advice (and was it my place to do so)?
I then decided to take a basic Counselling course and it was the best thing I did. It came in really useful when I went on to become a therapist as I knew the bounderies for my clients etc and more importantly I knew when to refer on. I couldn't know EVERYTHING and it was more professional to admit when I didn't but to have a list of trusted other professional people who I could refer my clients to.

I think what you have done so far has been good hearted and caring and it WILL affect you more if it it's a problem you have dealt with yourself so no harm done. It might be an idea to think about taking a basic Counselling course for your own sake?

Take care

Love and light

reikiangel
xxx
 
I work in a hospice and since I've been here have observed that when we work so intimately with people, it can create an environment of trust. I have found that many people open up to me more than a healthcare professional.

You may find the following book useful if you are experiencing this:

"Relating to Clients - The Therapeutic Relationship for Complementary Therapists"
by Su Fox (Jessica Kingsley Publishers)

I found this to be of great use in examining this aspect of my work.
 
I suspect you're right, you probably would benefit from a basic skills course. Boundaries are one of the big areas such a course would cover, both in terms of what is / isn't ethical and what constitutes (in) appropriate self-disclosure.

The whole touch issue in therapy is a hot potato and there are very mixed opinions. There can me a place for some careful, considered, touch, but massage would, almost always, be a (bit) step too far.

However, your situation is almost the opposite - you're offering massage but giving some counselling, Be very careful, you could, potentially be sued for giving inappropriate advice etc. I suspect your insurance for massage probably wouldn't cover you for any "counselling" or advice you offered,

One option may be to get cards from local therapists and offer them to your clients. You may be able to negotiate a referral fee with the therapists.
 
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    Suko spa every day have 7 different style Masseuse working here please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  35. bnwellness_wilson:
    : We have 4 girls are working today, young cute slime Summer and young fun Tina with curve body open mind, sweet EFG Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  36. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Nayla, Coco, Mina & New Girl Sunny are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl ๐Ÿ‘ Coco is a Young Sexy Taiwanese girl ๐ŸซฆMina is a young sexy Chinese Hot Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ Sunny is a Young Hot Korean Girl ~ All Our Girls are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— Open 8am til Late Everyday! #26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  37. See You Health Center:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Naturally very pretty face, Sexy Skinny Spinner Body โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  38. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Jessica 155 cm, 90Ibs Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along Sasa Sexy Vietnamese Body Type She is very sweet Provides Excellent Customer Service Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, big boobs super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking
  40. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Suki and Amanda works
  41. EMSpa_schedule:
    Here's tomorrow's sneak peek: For Friday January 10, 2024, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿฅฐ, Opal ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky โค๏ธ and Christina ๐Ÿ”ฅ And our raffle promotion is still on! Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  42. lovefeetspa:
    Love feet spa ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’„๐Ÿ˜3641 wolfedale road Mississauga we have Vietnam girl and China girls we do relaxing massage deep tissue massage full body massage prostate massage 100% no hurry we girls hand soft body very smooth be make you happy phone โ˜Ž๏ธ 4169890520
  43. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธHellenCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  44. Shangri-la Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” , Selena, Coco, Yoyo, Tina, Yui, Cici & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  45. New spring spa@:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–Sexy hot ๐ŸŒนJapanese ๐ŸŒนSingapore ๐ŸŒนgirls working ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹at Nu spring spa ๐Ÿ‘โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธTania Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  47. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, NUR, PRIYA, MONIKA, LOLA LOVE MONICA, AMANDA, LUCY, PREETI, ANGELINA, SARIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  48. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness, address:6262 hwy7 , unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  49. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bella ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  50. Sparkling Spa:
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