Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

[jimmyd]

If you've had covid and have immunity, you personally stand a good chance of not needing the vaccine. But it's still a good idea to get it. Why? Because not everyone's immune response is the same. Someone with a mild infection may have had a weak immune response. Since it is not practical to assess everyone's level of antibodies in order to determine who has a strong immune response, it is easier to just vax everyone. It's an extra--and more importantly uniform and predictable--layer of protection. In short, you do it for the community, not just yourself.

I said ICU numbers are not a good way of gauging vaccine effectiveness and they are not. However they quite obviously are an excellent thing to track when you're concerned about ICU capacity.

A vaccine's purpose and a seatbelt's are ultimately the same. They both aim to minimize death.

Good points, as usual. We obviously have some nuanced perspectives and disagree on others.

I’ll go as far as saying everyone should do their research, assess their risk factors, and get the vaccine accordingly. But I’m completely fine with people, regardless of their risk factors, refusing to get vaccinated. If we don’t have bodily autonomy, what do we have? One day you’ll be forced to do something you don’t want to do.

Anecdotal, but here’s something interesting about natural immunity. I was talking to a friend yesterday that I spent the evening with the night before I had full blown Covid symptoms. I asked her if she ended up getting sick or anything. She said she got nothing. She had Covid last year, probably delta, possibly alpha. Even though I contact traced her at the time, I was very happy she didn’t end up get sick. Very impressive that after a year she was not affected at all. YYMV, though, as we say in here.


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[jimmyd]

Child, this is exactly the root cause of your temper tantrum. You are mad at your government and leaders because you want to hold them accountable to the dictionary.

One of the reasons why I asked you to read and educate yourself was so you could gain understanding and perspective based on the history of what happened last pandemic.

You are more interested in discussing dictionary terms, and it irritates you that when you look up the word "vaccine" the current vaccine does not meet that definition. I get it, you are a keyboard warrior, a bratty troll after all. You can only process virtual information and lack depth in your ideas and understanding, that is why I know you don't drive a car. You are all theory and no experience.

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

Who’s having the tantrum? You’re the one name calling with condescension.


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[Chubbypickle]

I love when people say this.

No one promised, except for Fauci, Walensky, Gates (which I never understand why he’s part of the convo) said you wouldn’t get infected, and not spread it.

NOW THEY CLAIM THEY NEVER SAID INOCULATIONS STOP TRANSMISSION

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There are 13,339 cases reported today. We haven’t dipped under 10k in weeks. Where would you put the percentage of efficacy?


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I would probably not want to admit to trust a politician or use them as your source of information. Or media outlet, talk show host etc. I would hope most people would listen to Biden as much as I do when my 3 yr old is telling me a story.

 

[jimmyd]

Child, this is exactly the root cause of your temper tantrum. You are mad at your government and leaders because you want to hold them accountable to the dictionary.

One of the reasons why I asked you to read and educate yourself was so you could gain understanding and perspective based on the history of what happened last pandemic.

You are more interested in discussing dictionary terms, and it irritates you that when you look up the word "vaccine" the current vaccine does not meet that definition. I get it, you are a keyboard warrior, a bratty troll after all. You can only process virtual information and lack depth in your ideas and understanding, that is why I know you don't drive a car. You are all theory and no experience.

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

Who’s having the tantrum? You’re the one name calling with condescension.

I love the fact that you acknowledge that they had to change the definition of the word vaccine to encompass the leaky Covid vaccines.


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[jimmyd]

I would probably not want to admit to trust a politician or use them as your source of information. Or media outlet, talk show host etc. I would hope most people would listen to Biden as much as I do when my 3 yr old is telling me a story.

Agreed, but Fauci is the director of NIAID and the Chief Medical Advisor to the President and Walensky is the director of the CDC. They are not talk show hosts and media outlets.

I’m assuming you didn’t watch the video of them saying the same thing as Biden.


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[jimmyd]

Child, this is exactly the root cause of your temper tantrum. You are mad at your government and leaders because you want to hold them accountable to the dictionary.

You are more interested in discussing dictionary terms, and it irritates you that when you look up the word "vaccine" the current vaccine does not meet that definition. I get it, you are a keyboard warrior, a bratty troll after all.

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

We’re not discussing the pandemic here. We’re discussing the efficacy of the vaccine. If you have to change the definition of a word, the original meaning of that word is lost.

The Covid vaccine is not a vaccine, by decades old definition. It may be a therapeutic, medicine, or may even be a placebo . But we know it’s not a placebo because it has killed thousands. Definitively, though, it is not a vaccine. Vaccines offer immunity, not just protection.

I know that’s bothersome, and may be nitpicking, but that’s the truth.


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[jimmyd]

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

The CDC changed the definition.


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[Pay2Play]

I like this thread. So many smart people here.

 

[niceandnaughty]

Why are the Ontario ICU and hospitalization numbers so difficult to find? It seems the government and media don't want you to see them

Google Ontario Covid Hospitalizations

If you scroll down to the ICU pie chart, you will see that, for the first time, the vaccinated outnumber the unvaccinated. If this trend continues, the number will increase next week.

Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue

covid-19.ontario.ca

All there graphs and charts omit the unknown which a significant number and from my understanding are all vaccinated.

 

[niceandnaughty]

Child, this is exactly the root cause of your temper tantrum. You are mad at your government and leaders because you want to hold them accountable to the dictionary.

You are more interested in discussing dictionary terms, and it irritates you that when you look up the word "vaccine" the current vaccine does not meet that definition. I get it, you are a keyboard warrior, a bratty troll after all.

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

A cunning linguist

 

[Pay2Play]

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

You make me sad…lol

 

[goodtogo1962]

Brother, I am glad you asked this question and I am happy to share with you my understanding on the matter.

Fact:
Viruses are not alive. Viruses "become" alive when they "bond" with a compatible host cell. Each virus is compatible with a different kind of cell. For example, we have stomach flu, a virus that affects the digestive tract cells. It can only bind with certain cells in the digestive tract.

COVID is a respiratory virus, it can only bind with certain cells found in our respiratory system such as lungs and throat.

Fact:
You cannot be INFECTED by COVID if you eat it or touch it. You could shove a handful of COVID up Jimmy the Retard's ass, and he wouldn't get (be infected by) COVID.

You could also dip Jimmy the Retard's hand, foot or any other of his tiny appendixes into a bucket of COVID and it wouldn't infect him.

You will only get infected by COVID if the COVID virus gets into your respiratory system AND binds with a host cell.

Do you follow me so far?

Viruses can lay inactive for different periods of time on top of surfaces like door handles, tables etc... They are not "alive" at this point. They are more or less "inactive."

During these periods of inactivity they could travel through the air, or on top of surfaces like your hands. I don't know how long the COVID virus can travel while "inactive" but what I do know is that the majority of viruses sort of "die off" after a certain period of inactivity without reaching a "COMPATIBLE HOST" to "BIND" with.

FACT:

When a virus, in this case COVID binds with a compatible host cell in the respiratory system, it goes into "reproductive" mode. It has only one mission, and that is to replicate itself over and over and over again. This is when you are INFECTED. You are not INFECTED just because you are "carrying" the virus.

A fucking coffee cup can be a "carrier" or any physical object such as a human hand etc.. Just because the coffee cup has COVID viruses all over it is not "INFECTED"

Do you understand the word infected so far?

Once a person is infected they become "COVID FACTORIES" and because of EVERYONE's ability to physically carry the virus, they are also "transporters." It's a COVID factory on wheels. This is why people with a higher likelihood of becoming infected are logically the problem. Does this make sense to you? Each new infection brings forth a new generation of viruses and mutations.

This is why vaccination makes sense, it doesn't stop you from carrying the virus, it prevents you from getting "INFECTED." Granted that this is not 100% which idiots like Jimmy the Retard will quickly point out, but what is the logical alternative? To let everyone get COVID and have people piling up dead on the streets like in the 1920s and the Spanish Flu?

Do you understand the difference between a "carrier" and an "infection." The media is probably wrongfully explaining what the fuck a carrier is, it's just a container. Containers are not a big deal, the problem are the COVID factories.

You don't have to be infected to be a carrier, so yes that means people vaccinated can be carriers too. But you can only become a COVID factory if you are infected.

Fact.
The covid shot is a best guess " vaccine ". If you had covid and survived you body has immunity. The vaccinated people have a far greater chance of re infection due to the virus has varied and your vaccine is no longer able to identify it to fight it off. People who survive have shown to carry antibodies for over 50 years and they can identify the virus better than the manmade vaccine. Our bodies are engineered better than man can figure out, that is if you took care of yourself.

 

[goodtogo1962]

If the government mandates for boosters to be taken then I will take them. IF I don't like it then I will move to another country that doesn't require them.

I will very likely not bitch about it on the internet. You just said you would not dare to tell your parents not to take the vaccine, but you cannot see the benefit for yourself.

You are a hypocrite and a coward. Do you even drive a car? Answer me honestly. NO judgement in my part.

If you don't take the booster then you are unvaccinated and you can't fly. You are a prisoner in your own country.

 

[OG_funguy]

I like this thread. So many smart people here.

 

[goodtogo1962]

Roman Baber on Instagram: "Dr. Martha Fulford, Infectious Diseases, McMaster Children's Hospital: - we have a high number of positive PCRs but hospitals & ICU are flat - we need to start reporting accurately if a hospitalization is "due to Covid"

13K likes, 801 comments - roman_baber on December 27, 2021: "Dr. Martha Fulford, Infectious Diseases, McMaster Children's Hospital: - we have a high number of positive PCRs but hospitals & ICU are flat - we need to start reporting accurately if a hospitalization is "due to Covid" - Omicron is...

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This doctor is not fear mongering. There are no guarantees other than death and taxes. Live your life.

 

[goodtogo1962]

Despite abundant evidence that vaccines don't prevent infection, the brain-dead Turdo insists they do and wants to make them mandatory for everyone in Canada.

‘Fully vaccinated’ make up majority of COVID hospitalizations in Ontario, gov't data shows - LifeSite

On Jan. 7, there were 1,327 'fully vaccinated cases' in Ontario hospitals compared with 441 'unvaccinated cases.'

www.lifesitenews.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-bill-removes-mandatory-vaccinations-repeals-bill-10-powers-1.5984531

Not in Alberta.

 

[goodtogo1962]

Why would a company that wants you to take their vaccine want to hide the information so you can make a decision.

 

[imyourpuppet]

This pandemic is not about arguing the fucking definition of the word vaccine, if you are so butt hurt about it, take a plane or boat to England and slap the Oxford morons that introduced the word. Before you slap anyone, be aware that, words CONSTANTLY evolve to change in meaning. If the new definition of vaccine becomes "provides immunity OR moderate levels of protection," suck it the fuck up or become a linguist.

Dude you need to take a chill pill. jimmyd is right in what he says. The Pfizer BioNTech, the Moderna shots are not vaccines. And changing a dictionary definition to make it seem like they are vaccines is tomfoolery. Alarming to say the least.

 

[Toucan]

The amount of stupidity in this thread can probably be harnessed to give us energy to power this city for 50 years

 

[Deleted member 88306]

The baseless anti-vax bullshit being spewed on this thread will not change the FACT that vax has worked to lessen the burden on the health system.
if less than 80/90 percent of us weren’t vaxed we’d be in much bigger shit and more severe lockdowns that we are in today (vaxed outnumber unvaxed by 8/9 to 1 but the ratio of unvaxed to vaxed that have been hospitalized is way less than that)

The minority of unvaxed benefit tremendously from the vaxed and still, some idiots try to make excuses for avoiding vax -shame on you. You don’t want to take, don’t take it , but please shut the fuck up because you have absolutely no facts to stand on.

So you're saying Robert Malone the investor of the MRNA is wrong? lol He has patents with the MRNA, no he didn't creator civid vaccine, but he himself has recommended not to get it. And the science has the spiked protein is only in the blood. It doesn't protect you from getting covid because the upper respiratory track.