Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

[niceandnaughty]

Hello guys!

Interesting thread. Lots of different statements and opinions from both sides: vaxed and
unvaxed.

In my deep ignorance I am confused with this covid issue. Maybe some of you could shed some light
on a few questions that bother me. Especially those who are vaccinated. They surely did extensive research
and were fully informed taking a shot. After all it takes courage and determination to accept into your body
a new substance which is irreversible.

So here are some questions to which I can not find a logical answer:

1. For the last few month the bars, restaurants, gyms etc were open for vaccinated clients only.
Why are they closed now?

2. All vaccines were tested and approved for two doses only (Johnson&Johnson for one). Any subsequent
shot seems to be a pure gamble. Why boosters are now promoted?

3. Currently Omicron is the dominant variant. All available vaccines are highly ineffective against it.
Why are they still mandated?

4. Over 80% of Canada population is fully vaccinated and yet there are more cases then before vaccinations. Why?

5. Covid among children was always rare and relatively mild. Why children are vaccinated?

Thank you for reading.

Loved the way you kicked open the saloon doors and introduced yourself. There's a new kid in town. They don't want to hear it. Great questions robarden.

 

[Deleted member 88306]

What the governments fear the most is overwhelming the capacity of the hospitals and ICU’s meaning people that may otherwise get looked after won’t and deaths will be higher as a result. Capacity is not the number of bed or ventilators but how many nurses and doctors there are before they are overwhelmed and burn out. If they burn out and leave the workforce capacity can reduce. It takes years to replace them.

When the other variants hit there was a severity and death rate that the government used as a baseline when assessing what to do with Omicron. When Omicron hit it was much more transmissible. They didn’t know at the time that Omicron would be less severe so they planned for the worse case. The various measures were intended to slow the spread so that those that do get harder are within that hospital and ICU capacity.

All those vaccines listed as one or two doses was based on the original variants before the mutation Omicron. There was no Omicron vaccine version out there. They then thought a booster was going to give enhanced protection because it’s the only preventive immunity tool they had.

The vaccine was not meant to stop people from getting Covid, no matter what some here will say. It was meant to reduce severity once you got it. The more cases than before is a combination of just how much Omicron can spread and the interaction of people versus before. We’re not in full lockdown like before so people are mingling more so it’s spreading more and cases are up.

They needed more time to study the effects and determine the dosage for children. They weren’t prepared or comfortable to recommend a shot for kids before. Kids and schools can be superspreaders, getting them vaccinated is believed to help control the spread. Also, having kids in school is critical to keeping the economy running properly by allowing parents to go into work if they don’t have an option to work from home.

All that is one perspective. You’ll get the tinfoil hat society commenting on the alternative bizarro universe view shortly.

Viruses doesn't cause disease. If you put in sugar in your gas tank you can add all the gas additives trying to your engine run better. No matter what you do these additives will not work. Disease is caused by nutritional defences, toxic environments or ingesting, and chronic stress.

 

[Deleted member 88306]

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[Hornet]

Bill Gates has shares with companies that makes the vaccines.

So does everyone with a pension plan or 401k with mutual funds. Hence, all the listens of that podcast with either of those. If you have any RRSP in a mutual fund then you too have shares in the companies that make the vaccine. Therefore, you are just as evil as you are painting others with.

 

[Hornet]

Viruses doesn't cause disease. If you put in sugar in your gas tank you can add all the gas additives trying to your engine run better. No matter what you do these additives will not work. Disease is caused by nutritional defences, toxic environments or ingesting, and chronic stress.

We’re going to need to start calling you the new Bubble Boy. Whitsnake1987 used to carry that title but it’s yours now.

Wait, are you really Whitsnake1987’s new handle?

 

[MorningWood]

Government guidelines don't include early treatment, which is suicidal.

The Big Logic: Lack of COVID-19 treatment protocol is reckless, says Dr. Peter McCullough – NaturalNews.com

Internist and cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough criticized the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) treatment protocol – or lack of it – in hospitals around the world. In a recent episode of “The Big Logic” with host Joe Rogan, McCullough talked about how health agencies were denying the public early...

www.naturalnews.com

So are you doing any follow-up with the government regarding treatments for early treatment? Right now it takes the better part of a week to get the results of a PCR test back, rendering the ability to get early treatment self defeating. I have also read today that these treatment medications are in very short supply, meaning that they have to be rationed and decisions made on who gets them.

Given those realities, what's your solution? Are you bugging Trudeau and Ford and Elliott everyday to get their act together on tests and treatment medicines?

So if you're unvaccinated and get Covid, good luck trying to get those treatments you are espousing. Or you could just get vaccinated, and if you get infected, you have a much better chance of just fighting off that infection at home, and not even requiring those treatments.

 

[sy barite]

Loved the way you kicked open the saloon doors and introduced yourself. There's a new kid in town. They don't want to hear it. Great questions robarden.

Yes, it was quite an entry. Like that time Gilligan slipped and fell with his face into the banana cream pie. The fact you think these questions were "great" says more about you than the actual questions do about Robarden.

Welcome to the new poster, I didn't mean to be rough on you but really I think the answers to most of what you raise have been out there for a while to anyone open minded enough to read and be reasonable.

1. I agree the lockdown is silly. I don't think it follows the "science" either.
2. "Pure gamble" is probably an unfair characterization of the risk that exists. It's true there isn't any long-term data on this, but it seems the weight of the evidence indicates the greater risk is not having people vaccinated. Think of it this way, the "gamble" you're taking on the booster is a better bet than the "gamble" you're taking on getting covid. The more immuno-compromised you are, the better the booster gamble looks.
3. While I disagree with mandating vaccines, this is a silly question that misses the point. One of the important differences with Omicron (according to what we know so far), is that it spreads more efficiently--from the virus's p.o.v. There is no evidence to show that the vaccines are less effective against it insofar as minimizing serious illness or death.
4. See above. Omicron spreads faster.
5. Another one I partially agree with you on. I think the decision to vaccinate kids was rushed and perhaps not the correct way to go. From what I understand, studies of the vaccine's effect on children have been far from exhaustive and it's not clear whether they were at more risk from the vaccine or covid. Citing U.S. data, (because records there appear to be better), fewer than 800 children have had their deaths attributed to covid during the whole 2+ years of the pandemic and the vast majority of those deaths happened in kids or young adults who had other serious co-morbidities. The number of "healthy" kids in the U.S. who have died because of covid is around 20. That would not seem to warrant vaccinating all kids. The other argument is that vaccinating kids stops the spread...and we know what Omicron did to that argument. What we are seeing on the government and media level is mass lunacy, but they appear to have correctly wagered that the population is sheep-like enough that they can get away with it.

 

[stripfan]

So are you doing any follow-up with the government regarding treatments for early treatment? Right now it takes the better part of a week to get the results of a PCR test back, rendering the ability to get early treatment self defeating. I have also read today that these treatment medications are in very short supply, meaning that they have to be rationed and decisions made on who gets them.

Given those realities, what's your solution? Are you bugging Trudeau and Ford and Elliott everyday to get their act together on tests and treatment medicines?

So if you're unvaccinated and get Covid, good luck trying to get those treatments you are espousing. Or you could just get vaccinated, and if you get infected, you have a much better chance of just fighting off that infection at home, and not even requiring those treatments.

There is no need to take a test first. Early treatment such as the banned Ivermectin can be applied as soon as someone suspects they have covid. No need to wait. It's the government's collusion with the extremely greedy Pfizer which is preventing this.

 

[stripfan]

The vaccinated may get Parkinson's later in life. Interesting read.

Widespread COVID vaccination may lead to a spike in 'crippling' diseases: analysis - LifeSite

We have no direct knowledge of any effects that the vaccines might have on our health over the long term. However, knowledge about how they work, how the immune system works and how neurodegenerative diseases come about, can be brought to bear on the problem in order to predict potential...

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[stripfan]

Another interesting read.

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[Deleted member 88306]

We’re going to need to start calling you the new Bubble Boy. Whitsnake1987 used to carry that title but it’s yours now.

Wait, are you really Whitsnake1987’s new handle?

I'm not the one scared of bacteria or viruses. I don't know who white snake is and i have been accused of being someone else on here, pathetic people.

 

[Deleted member 88306]

So are you doing any follow-up with the government regarding treatments for early treatment? Right now it takes the better part of a week to get the results of a PCR test back, rendering the ability to get early treatment self defeating. I have also read today that these treatment medications are in very short supply, meaning that they have to be rationed and decisions made on who gets them.

Given those realities, what's your solution? Are you bugging Trudeau and Ford and Elliott everyday to get their act together on tests and treatment medicines?

So if you're unvaccinated and get Covid, good luck trying to get those treatments you are espousing. Or you could just get vaccinated, and if you get infected, you have a much better chance of just fighting off that infection at home, and not even requiring those treatments.

It's not covid, it's bacteria parasites. This is why anti parasite drugs work. Yes early treatment works.

 

[Deleted member 88306]

Yes, it was quite an entry. Like that time Gilligan slipped and fell with his face into the banana cream pie. The fact you think these questions were "great" says more about you than the actual questions do about Robarden.

Welcome to the new poster, I didn't mean to be rough on you but really I think the answers to most of what you raise have been out there for a while to anyone open minded enough to read and be reasonable.

1. I agree the lockdown is silly. I don't think it follows the "science" either.
2. "Pure gamble" is probably an unfair characterization of the risk that exists. It's true there isn't any long-term data on this, but it seems the weight of the evidence indicates the greater risk is not having people vaccinated. Think of it this way, the "gamble" you're taking on the booster is a better bet than the "gamble" you're taking on getting covid. The more immuno-compromised you are, the better the booster gamble looks.
3. While I disagree with mandating vaccines, this is a silly question that misses the point. One of the important differences with Omicron (according to what we know so far), is that it spreads more efficiently--from the virus's p.o.v. There is no evidence to show that the vaccines are less effective against it insofar as minimizing serious illness or death.
4. See above. Omicron spreads faster.
5. Another one I partially agree with you on. I think the decision to vaccinate kids was rushed and perhaps not the correct way to go. From what I understand, studies of the vaccine's effect on children have been far from exhaustive and it's not clear whether they were at more risk from the vaccine or covid. Citing U.S. data, (because records there appear to be better), fewer than 800 children have had their deaths attributed to covid during the whole 2+ years of the pandemic and the vast majority of those deaths happened in kids or young adults who had other serious co-morbidities. The number of "healthy" kids in the U.S. who have died because of covid is around 20. That would not seem to warrant vaccinating all kids. The other argument is that vaccinating kids stops the spread...and we know what Omicron did to that argument. What we are seeing on the government and media level is mass lunacy, but they appear to have correctly wagered that the population is sheep-like enough that they can get away with it.

Covid 19 vaccine is experimental, that means it's not proven safe, period. With a recovery rate over 99.5% you don't need a damn vaccine. If you are afraid of getting sick never leave hime. Done.

 

[jimmyd]

Bill Gates wasn’t a guest on that podcast so there is no reason to discuss him dumbass. Stop deflecting. When someone is pretending to be an expert on something they aren’t they lose credibility not just on that portion but the entire interview. He undermined his own credibility once he deviated off and away from MRNA technology.

Nah, that’s your nonsensical excuse. No intelligent person discredits a doctor because they briefly mention something outside of their expertise, who credit the person who came up with it.

Keep it coming, though. You’re only propagating mass formation. You must hate that so much of what Malone said is correct, so you need to find a way to discredit him.

Also, Gates, unlike Malone, has had a huge role, in this pandemic and affected policy. So the criteria of being on a podcast is moronic. I’m merely pointing out your blatant bias. If you truly cared about misinformation, you’d be complaining about guys like him.

Please learn the definition of deflecting.


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[jimmyd]

Hello guys!

Interesting thread. Lots of different statements and opinions from both sides: vaxed and
unvaxed.

In my deep ignorance I am confused with this covid issue. Maybe some of you could shed some light
on a few questions that bother me. Especially those who are vaccinated. They surely did extensive research
and were fully informed taking a shot. After all it takes courage and determination to accept into your body
a new substance which is irreversible.

So here are some questions to which I can not find a logical answer:

1. For the last few month the bars, restaurants, gyms etc were open for vaccinated clients only.
Why are they closed now?

2. All vaccines were tested and approved for two doses only (Johnson&Johnson for one). Any subsequent
shot seems to be a pure gamble. Why boosters are now promoted?

3. Currently Omicron is the dominant variant. All available vaccines are highly ineffective against it.
Why are they still mandated?

4. Over 80% of Canada population is fully vaccinated and yet there are more cases then before vaccinations. Why?

5. Covid among children was always rare and relatively mild. Why children are vaccinated?

Thank you for reading.

Great questions, bro. The answers are pretty obvious to me.
It’ll be interesting to see the mental gymnastics that are done in support of the vaccines.

Also, don’t let anyone tell you that only the Omicron variant is slipping by the vaccine. Delta is too.

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[jimmyd]

Gotta love CNN.

I guess it makes sense when all your programming is sponsored by Pfizer.



I told you guys…soon they’ll be making excuses for deaths. I can’t see into the future anymore than you guys. How do you not see this stuff?


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[Deleted member 88306]

So does everyone with a pension plan or 401k with mutual funds. Hence, all the listens of that podcast with either of those. If you have any RRSP in a mutual fund then you too have shares in the companies that make the vaccine. Therefore, you are just as evil as you are painting others with.

Actually 401Ks and mutuals funds are a scam. It's great for the companies but not for the investors.

So does everyone with a pension plan or 401k with mutual funds. Hence, all the listens of that podcast with either of those. If you have any RRSP in a mutual fund then you too have shares in the companies that make the vaccine. Therefore, you are just as evil as you are painting others with.

Fees buddy. 401K and mutual funds, investors pay HUGE amount of fees. Bill Gates billions of dollars from these companies produces the vaccine. otherwise why is he talking about the covid and the vaccines so much. He won't give the vaccine for free either.

 

[Deleted member 88306]

Gotta love CNN.

I guess it makes sense when all your programming is sponsored by Pfizer.

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I told you guys…soon they’ll be making excuses for deaths. I can’t see into the future anymore than you guys. How do you not see this stuff?


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[Hornet]

Nah, that’s your nonsensical excuse. No intelligent person discredits a doctor because they briefly mention something outside of their expertise, who credit the person who came up with it.

Keep it coming, though. You’re only propagating mass formation. You must hate that so much of what Malone said is correct, so you need to find a way to discredit him.

Also, Gates, unlike Malone, has had a huge role, in this pandemic and affected policy. So the criteria of being on a podcast is moronic. I’m merely pointing out your blatant bias. If you truly cared about misinformation, you’d be complaining about guys like him.

Please learn the definition of deflecting.


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Keep deflecting little baby, Gates was not a guest on that podcast. Read my posts, they have been specific about Malone’s credibility. It is absolutely fair to question the credibility of someone with an exclusive platform for 3 hours passing themselves off as an expert which one one else on the podcast to counter argue his points. Malone didn’t “briefly” mention something. Malone went into details. Call CAMH soon before it’s too late for you!

 

[Deleted member 88306]

Nah, that’s your nonsensical excuse. No intelligent person discredits a doctor because they briefly mention something outside of their expertise, who credit the person who came up with it.

Keep it coming, though. You’re only propagating mass formation. You must hate that so much of what Malone said is correct, so you need to find a way to discredit him.

Also, Gates, unlike Malone, has had a huge role, in this pandemic and affected policy. So the criteria of being on a podcast is moronic. I’m merely pointing out your blatant bias. If you truly cared about misinformation, you’d be complaining about guys like him.

Please learn the definition of deflecting.


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Gates claimed to invest $10 billion dollars and the return rate is 20:1, that means he made $200 billion.

Bill Gates and the return on investment in vaccinations

CNBC's Becky Quick sits down with Microsoft Co-Founder Bill Gates at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Gates made a $10B investment on vaccine development and distribution over the last 20 years.

www.cnbc.com