chronic cellulitis?

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Hey. I'd love some feed back. Sorry, this is gonna be long.

I have what seems to be chronic, very tenacious cellulitis in my left leg. I've had progressive problems with it since 2005, and it became quite extreme the beginning of this year.

I have no health insurance, so I have had four Dr's in free clinics and urgency clinics over the last 6 months seem to concur on the diagnosis, but after four rounds of two types of antibiotics, it still remains splotchy red from ankle to knee. I had an ultrasound a month ago to rule out a blood clot.

I have edema in both ankles, but the left leg is often quite swollen, especially medially, at mid-calf, where it is also very painful to the touch. It's often hot to the touch, usually worse on the lateral. At it's worst, it itches, cracks, peels and then weeps. The weeping is hideous, I have to wash and wrap my leg or it leaks into my shoe. It's clear fluid, and it itches so bad I would chew my leg off if I could. :(

I had ovarian cancer 6 years ago, and a hysterectomy. My surgeon biopsied at least one lymph node, but assured me at the time it would not cause any lymph edema......... I did 6 rounds of chemo afterwards.

The last round of antibiotics in June was a very heavy dose of an old sulphur type drug, and it made me nauseated and fatigued for ten days, and still didn't clear it up entirely. (Oddly enough, it cleared up the edema in the right leg). I have had chronic stasis dermatitis for about seven years, and have the classic splotchy brown spots on my calves and shins. I am overweight and am pre-diabetic.

I just had an acupuncture treatment on Monday, and am seeing him again next Monday. (no big improvement in the leg yet, but the treatment was wonderful, like a natural mood elevator!)

My immune system is very sluggish - I've been sick about seven times this year, and heal slowly. I am a long time vegetarian, have high blood pressure under control, and take a host of supplements - msm, a pre-natol multi (higher iron), 5 htp, cinnamon, calcium/vit d, exra vit. c, black cohosh, and milk thistle.

I exercise sporadically (walk or ride bike), but try to do a lot of range of motion of the ankle and hip, get regular massage (Swedish), elevate as often as possible during the day, and do cool water soaks, usually in Epsom salts, as needed.

I'm at wits end. If I was a horse, we'd probably throw in the towel and just shoot me! :roll: :roll: :( :( :( (Not an "easy keeper".............)

Do any bells go off for anyone?
savannah
 


Well, I am taking a class on aromatherapy, so that was my first thought, naturally. What I found just now was this:

#A dd 4 drops of orange oil, 3 drops of tea tree oil, 2 drops of chamomile oil, and 2 drops of thyme oil to a warm bath.
# Soak in the bath for ten to twenty minutes.
# Tea tree and thyme oils are antiseptic, and chamomile and orange oils relax the nervous system.

Now......what I would do, because that is a potentially serious infection, would be to add the essential oils to about 2 ounces of witch hazel and spritz the leg throughout the day. I am very comfortable with tea tree oil (melaleuca oil) and have put it on straight many times. It is very good at killing ickies. If you tend to be easily sensitized to things, dilution may be a better idea. When it is an infection that has been attacked but not killed, using something *different* makes the best sense - another antibiotic may just strengthen the bacteria causing the problem. Attacking it head on and forcefully without damaging another part of you is going to be very hard, medically.

I'd do tea tree oil straight once or twice a day, and spritz the combo of oils/witch hazel every hour or two while you are awake.

*disclaimer......:D this is what I would do if it was my leg.....this is not medical advice, as I am not a medical doctor.....blah blah blah ;)
 


PMing you about homeopathy.
(disclaimer: this IS homeopathic advice, I AM a homeopath, etc! :)
 


Thank you both Sharon and Chris!

And of course Sharon, gotcha. But gotta say, my "medical" advice hasn't been too helpful and has cost me a small fortune.

Do I need to be overly conscientious about brand etc of oils? I already have the tea tree oil, but will need to get orange, chamomile and thyme. Several whole foods places around sell essential oils, but I'm not very familiar with them.

savannah
 


I'd go with German Chamomile, true name is Matricaria recutita. It is recommended for skin conditions over Roman Chamomile oil.

Sweet Orange Oil, rather than Bitter Orange Oil.

As far as brand names go, I don't really know yet what health food stores are carrying that is particularly good or bad. I call ahead when looking for something particular, and since I am just really digging into this, only have a couple dozen oils, mostly bought online. Maybe someone else can pipe in on good brands/brands to avoid and we'll both learn something new this week?

I am totally with you on the expensive and all-to-often unhelpful medical "help". Bleck.
 


I'm not a big fan of antibiotics anyway, and this last year I've probably had more antibiotic than I have in my whole life, with very poor results. I apparently have a low grade resistance to the chepelan family, and the sulphur family, as I mentioned earlier, caused nausea and fatigue. My acupuncturist, who is trained as a medical Dr. in China, said it's particularly hard on the kidneys.

I'm not wild about traditional medicine anyway, but I sure am hoping for an administration change here in the US in the next election. No health insurance has been a very difficult situation the last couple of years.

I may be off line for a day or so, I'm going to be staying overnight with a friend whose husband is home with hospice in the process of dieing. Not sure if I will have time to check in or not. I'll stop and pick up the oils and witch hazel and give that a try and keep you posted. I'm anxious to turn this around and be healthy again!
savannah
 


Savannah Bloom,
I googled cellulitis last night and found a pretty nice website that talks about CAM care.

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsConditions/Cellulitiscc.html

In the herb section there it mentions that Yarrow is good for cellulitis and I recall my mother telling me that she used to gather yarrow for her grandmother when she was little, and that it was for the treatment of cellulitis. Her great grandmother was part native american so we were sort of into CAM before it was "cool." :lol:

So, lymph drainage massage is contraindicated right now, hm?
 


A nice place to get herbs/oils ect.. is:

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com

and...they are local!
Located in Eugene, OR.
 


maestra, that was a good website, thank you.

Thanks for the link p4all!

I've not actually had lymph drainage for this but am thinking it WOULD be very indicated. Any consensous? The LD would be distal to the infection?
Some of the swelling is certainly from the infection, but my gut feeling is that the chronic edema has been the straw that broke the camels back. The original onset was a small break in the skin in the medial ankle in 2005 that took months to heal, even with antibiotics. I've struggled with it off and on since then, but also always having the added issue of the edema.

I have finally, ho hum, begun to wear compression stockings. :( I'm a child of the 60's who loves bare feet, and to struggle putting them on is like putting shackles around my feet...........but it appears the alternative is worse, so I am doing it. It makes me feel.............so old! (To counter the feeling, I've been wearing tie-dye to a much greater degree! *tee-hee :lol: :lol: )
savannah
 


Savannah, I think a lymphatic consult would definitely be helpful, but I would only recommend seeing someone with advanced training. They would best know if therapy would help or hurt during the acute phase of cellulitis. They would also be able to measure you for the right size compression stockings, and even do personalized compression bandaging if necessary. I did a quick search in the Portland area and found 6 Vodder-certified therapists. (I checked Upleger too, but no one locally has completed advanced training through that school.) So, here's a link to the Vodder listings:

Vodder Certified Therapists in Oregon

If you don't have insurance, see if they're willing to work out a payment plan for you. Your body is definitely worth it! I don't mean to scare you, but untreated edema can progress very quickly into a permanent problem, and incorrectly sized compression stockings can hurt instead of help. I recommend calling one of these therapists today. Please keep us posted!
 


Thanks for the link Bliss, and the feedback. One of them is quite near my office, I'll check her out.

I've begun a homeopathic and acupuncture, and have had some encouraging results, but I also think the lymph drainage is an issue so I will see about getting a consult. Haven't had a chance to follow up on the aromatherapy as I didn't have any of them on hand, and it's been a hellish week (a dieing friend, so sort of sucked all the remaining energy reserves I had). You all are the best, though! Thank you.

This has been way more encouraging than any of the "medical" advice I've gotten in the last three years, sorry to say. I've gotten zero results from allopathic medicine with this issue, and of course due to the fact that I have no insurance so my continuity of care is compromised, it's undoubtedly worsened the results. savannah
 


Savannah, regarding acupuncture, it is contraindicated to have any needles in your legs. Be sure & let the acupuncturist know. This is because the healing system in your legs is compromised & the smallest puncture can cause a major problem (as you saw with the original onset in 2005).

Keep us posted on your progress. I'm sending healing wishes out to you!
 
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    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  34. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  35. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  38. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  44. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  45. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  47. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
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