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Im 46 and fairly fit and well up to about 5 months ago. Ive had problems with my neck for a few years but Im able to cope with it and have got to know what makes it worse so I can deal with it. Up to November last year I ran once a week and did a 6 mile run , what with Christmas and everything I didnt run after that. Since about January I have had pains in my hip and lower back and its got progressively worse so much so that even hoovering is difficult. My back clicks and grinds like crazy and is very uncomfortable most of the time, especially in bed. I went to the doc last week, he said the problem was with my back rather than my hip and told me to do exercises! Ive been doing some that I found on the net but things seem worse. How can I suddenly go from being able to run 5 or 6 miles fairly comfortably to feeling like an old lady? I feel quite miserable!
Has anyone got any ideas what I should do or if I will recover?
Caron
 
I've had very similar problems. I used to do half marathons but my feet became very painful a couple of years ago. I had had a stiff painful neck for quite a few years before that. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and more recently with osteoarthritis. Now I get pain in my feet, knees, hips, back and neck as well as my hands. I have been told to take paracetamol regularly. I did see a physiotherapist for a while and she has shown me how to stretch out my muscles. This is helping with my back and neck.
You don't say what type of exercise you do but perhaps you could try stretching exercises. I would think gentle rather that brisk would be best till your back feels better. It is best to keep moving rather than resting.
 
Oh dear, Im sorry to hear you have similar problems. You didnt say how old you are. I consider 40`s still very young and I worry how I will be in 20 years time! The exercises I am doing are stretches and are fairly gentle. Im so frustrated I cant do anything more and Ive put on weight around my middle ( ughh, muffin top!) I cant believe how quickly , I used to have a six pack!

A very frustrated and fed up Caron.
 
I'm 55. I did actually start getting neck pain when I was about 25. I had some treatment from a chiropractor about 10 years ago who suggested the pain was caused by whiplash when I was on the walzers some years before the pain started. I did wonder then how bad I would be when I got to the age I am now. Now I wonder how I will be in the next 10 years. I too get frustrated that I can no longer run and have put on about a stone and a half so I understand how you feel.

If you feel the exercises aren't working, maybe go back to your GP.
 
Hi Caz
Just wondering does running so much have anything to do with your problem? I always thought that it jars your joints.
Anyway hope it gets better and you find relief
 
hi all, Im 34 and dont and never did run or anything like it, I prob couldnt run the legnth of myself im 4ft 10 and just ver 8 stone if its relevent adn my spine also clicks in bed usually in 4 of the vertibrea and it does it twice, as I turn to either side. I find if I dont do it it gets very sore too..... I dont know why or what causes it I just wanted you to know your not alone :-)
 
I have a slightly different take on spinal clicking, I see it as good thing!
When I can't get my vertabrae to click when exercising, twisting, stretching and relaxing, I know that reactive spasms are trying to 'lock me up' and prevent me from moving freely. Although they mean well, they don't have give me a good kicking.
It's a bit like a piano players warm up rutine I suppose!

Viva la clicking!!

SPINELF
 
Hi Caz
I'd suggest a good overhaul from an osteopath. Your Dr may well be right that the hip pain is coming from your lumbar spine. Often low back problems can give pain in the pelvis, hip and lower limb for several reasons. As referred pain, nerve root irritation (in cases of intervertebral disc injuries) and often they just cause the muscles around the hips to tighten up.

Long term the latter will compromise the function of the hip and like all other synovial joints, the hip joint is very dependant on regular movement through a good range of movement. The constant compression of tight or 'spasming' (I might be making up words there ) over time will this will contribute to the rate of degeneration.

It's important be clear what your regarding as the hip. Often folks think of there hip as the boney prominences front and side of upper pelvis - these are the iliac crests. If the pain is radiating around either or both of these it's almost certainly referred pain from the lowest lumbar spinal joint, where L5 sits on the top (S1) of the Sacrum. Just releasing this joint aught to solve it if you can then do the appropriate stretches to keep it moving.

On the issue of stretches - I would advise against extension (bending backwards exercises) for both your neck and lower back. If you've been doing the latter, then that may explain why it got worse.

Good Luck.
 
Dear Caz.

Please listen to Anahata's advive, it is as clear an explaination that I have ever seen!
Please make sure that you follow those suggetions, now!

Best wishes and kind thoughts.

SPINELF
 
Hi Caz, I'm 29, I've had similar problems to what you're describing, pains in my hip and a clicking spine. I went to see an osteopath who did wonders! She used a machine on me (can't remember what it was called) but she ran it up and down my spine for around 20 mins. It had 2 feet like things that went up and down both sides of my spine. She changed the strength and frequency every few minutes. After this she did some manipulation/twisting on my back. After a day or so I felt so much better and only had to see her the week after for a check up. I'd definately recommend seeing an osteopath but would also visit a good physio who will give you back strengthening exercises to prevent the problem occuring again in the future!

Hope this helps
 
This was probebly an unltrasound machine. These are widely used by Osteopaths for
non invasive deep massaging.

Besy wishes

SPINELF
 
An ultrasound with feet???

More likely to have been a PAM (Power Assisted Micro-manipulation) machine?
 
My 5 Osteopaths have never used one of these PAM's. I have never heard of it.

Can you describe it's uses for me please?
Are they any good?
Can patients by them privately?


Best wishes

SPINELF
 
Hi Spinelf.

It appears that the UK franchise for PAMMs has gone now and only available in the States.

But you can see something almost identical here:

Theraflex physiotherapy equipment for treating back pain

I came across the PAMM years ago when I was suffering from sciatica so bad I could hardly walk, stand, sit or lie down comfortably and had to take packets of frozen peas with me to meetings to help me get through them!!

I could only sleep kneeling in front of my sofa with my arms folded on the seat in front of me and my head on my arms - not very comfortable, but the only relatively pain free position. Apart from dead legs and sore knees!

I went through the usual GP route and eventually got an appointment with a back specialist at the hospital - with a six month wait!! I did call the specialist's secretary who did speak to him and came back with the advice that I should take two paracetamol every four hours - for six months!!!

I tried no end of osteopaths, chiropractors and physiotherapists, none of whom could help me.

Then I came across a guy who was a sports therapist (with dubious credentials!!) in a local gym and he had one of these PAMM machines.

He treated me for about 20 minutes and I got off the couch absolutely pain free! I was in tears, an absolute mess, the relief, after more than two months of continual pain, was so immense.

And I've not had trouble again since!
 
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    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  37. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tuesday ๐Ÿ’œ Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†• Aliyah, Jasmine, Echo, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Doris, busty Amber, Kelly & Luna โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  38. Bencook:
    Suko have many beautiful girls working here ๐Ÿ˜Newer lala 24,beautiful lineup Mia Nora student Hellen Big boobs jojo yumi please call 647 718 6182
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask...
  41. SugarLoveSpa:
    today have tifany mia chrishtina come baby Chuyแปƒn enjoy your time with all service available have beautiful young girl 20 to 30 years old, Sugar Love spaโ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 365-2688๐Ÿ“ฒโ˜Ž๏ธ
  42. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Tuesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Lucy Q smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more.. hair Lucy Q smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience.must try๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘
  43. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  44. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    โœ…๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ”ฅGOOD NEWS GOOD NEWSโœ…๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’‹Cambodian Princess Suki will return to Jennyโ€™s Spa next Tuesday June 3rd๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ˜˜The famous superstar Cambodian Princess Suki from Annie Spa will be working at Jennyโ€™s Spa in Etobicoke next Tuesday June 3rd with Tina & Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Camb
  45. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 2 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (10am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. JESSICA (3pm-9pm) is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks 30โ€™s open mind and young cute slime Sophia 30โ€™s, young flirty Mia 25โ€™ with curve body and pretty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 bomok appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. CINDY is slim & incredible
  49. starjey888:
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  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, MIA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite
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