Frankfurt FKK Trip Report

[mlinda]

As TOSCANA said, judging from the guests, there is no discrimination whatsoever as to colour, size, age and most girls speak some English. This goes for all FKK and other establishments. I have seen men totooed all over - looking like Harley bikers, or in their 70's being helped up the stairs. COURTESY rules are strictly enforced. Some African's are either feared or welcome by the girls... but certainly no differentiation at the door. Orientals and Indians, see to be very modestly well behaved and well liked.

Of course, some girls can show selective lack of enthusiasm, but the next one is only few feet away. In any case in the event of any complaint or dispute, the girls get unceremoniously fired on the spot....unfortunately regardless of who is right.

You can expect problems, if you look like a weirdo or dirty or......

 

[Irvine]

Generally not having German is never a reason for not going to Germany. Most Germans under 50 have adequate to very good English. Ditto in the FKKs, certainly the big city ones. They have many visitors from abroad, many of whom have zero English.

 

[nysenutz]

Being a Chinese I am glad that to hear oriental is not a problem in the FKKs. However, I only speak English - is that a problem in Germany?

 

[Pecos]

yo man i didnt have any problems at the Palace in Frankfurt but i did have problems at Samya in Cologne, but my oriental might be a little different from yours im darker skin and my eyes are round, and my hair curls a little most of the time i can get mistaken for a mexican or someone of hispanic origin, but when i was at that place Samya he gave me an excuse sayin the house was full, i had on some fairly hip hop attire, and i only could say a few basic phrases in german, so if he was being racist by not letting me in thats whatever this is Germany i understand that , but if for any other reason like being young hiphop american then thats fuckin wack, just tell me straight out i cant get in dont give me no bullshit excuse tell it like it is all there gonna do is loose my business and get bad press from me........... peace

 

[lekneppyday]

No, not at all. There are many oriental visitors to the FKKs. They are appreciated, because they are generally very well behaved.

 

[KarinaGia]

Hi are there any issues with being Oriental in these FKK clubs? Or in Germany in general?

 

[Julie E]

DATY - Dinning At The Y
DFK - Deep French Kiss

Yo!

 

[asitisnow]

Well, you won't find many volunteers here.

But how about this: 1 Million German men (and some women too) visit prostitutes legally, safely and happily every single day.

"One Million Germans can't be wrong!" another, real, Nazi once declamed. And I agree this time.

Maybe you'll find a few respondents among them, say in the Hornstasse of Cologne where you have two high rise brothels across the street from each other (Pascha and Eros).

Rape is rape by US law.....If you don't mean statutory rape to be rape, then you should call it forcible rape. BIG difference! In Germany statutory rape is called 'seduction of minors' (Verfuehrung Minderjaehriger) in the law books. Forcible rape is called 'Vergewaltigung'.

So you want to be a writer/photojournalist?

Well, good luck with your project. Here's a free lead:
Check the BBC news for the report they had on allegedly trafficked women in the UK (they found a lot are coached to fake it).

Make sure you get model releases from all the people you take pictures of, compensate them for posing, and for publishing their photos, since that is the law in Europe ('Recht am eigenen Bild') just as in USA.

If you then have any budget left I'll be happy to be your guide, interpreter, consultant and chauffeur on that research trip. Also editor/proofreader for your book.

 

[Beverly (Bea)]

It's: Artemis and Mettmann

Both are well covered in mpnet reports. Ratings are as mixed as preferences are. Do a search.

 

[Kim N]

Has anyone been to the new (Artimes???) FKK in Berlin?

Any info on Partytreff Mettlemen?

 

[sarahG]

Jimmy, yourt report is brilliant and accurate. I don't quite agree with your food ratings as I enjoy German food in general....anyway as a girl said to a guy with his face immersed in her "mushi": are you here to eat or to fuck.

I have been to World, Oase, Palace and the terrific late Atlantis (RIP) and enjoy the differences. and the variety, cleanlines, freedom amd generally delightfully friendly attitude. Even after several visits getting to The World needs more then a GPS. Thanks for your directions.

Your account puts your apetite and stamina into a superman league ! Being a "nice shy new guy" and speaking German and some Russian goes a long way. I have never been asked for more money becuase of waiting time for a room. One girl impatieny waitng with "an attitude" problem lost out and few minutes later saw me having great time in The Kino with an acrobatic petite Columbian girl. That's what free enterprise is all about ! My premise of treating a whore as a lady and a lady as a whore seldom fails ! - some exceptions are necessary.

On refection, spending $$$ and several days on sex saturation seems absurd. Has anyone wondered how it would be living in Germany (or other enlightened Coutries)? What a huge difference between red-neck and costly Nevada or hush-hush proliferation of exhorbitant escort services and cash draining frustrating strip-TEASE bars thoughout our enlightened Country?

You were lucky to find Olga at the World. I knew this tall exquisite Belorus redhead the first week she came to Atlantis and often since. She spends at least an hour+ with me, does not charge extra for CIM, anal and sometimes picks another girl to join the party. I treat her well and when unoccupied we always have a chat and a drink. Her recommendations and suggestions have been terrific....she knows my type . Unlike many other girls, Olga has her own house in prime position in Minsk, which cost $100K++ and paid for condo in Marbella Spain and just bought an appartment in OberUrsel. The costs of "acquiring" and getting rid of a husband ($25+) are forgotten. She works 1/2 time and supports her mother and a family...she just turned 25 and studied classical ballet till 20. Conservatively, she clears over $5K/week. The recruitment horror stories happen to girls who are very stupid and got in some way involved and proved with bad company...the snatch routine is far fetched. Practically I doubt if such girls come to FKK's they are more likely to be the street walkers.

By the way - to prove my innocence what is DATY and DFK.

 

[SIMON G]

Sorry, 99.9% of the sexworkers in FKKs and their customers use condoms, by choice, not because it's some rule or regulation.

If bareback intercourse is your thing, you might find a street hooker (on the 'Strassenstrich', read the post below yours) who needs your money for a drug fix very urgently.

However in Thailand and Indonesia 99.9% do NOT use condoms and that's why they have these horrendeous HIV infection rates (30-50%). I was stupid once only and let my small head take over (ran out of rubbers). Sure enough I cought the clap! HIV was negative though but the experience cost me $87 at the doctor's and a few days of intense discomfort (missing out on other mongering opportunities too). Sure ruined my holiday!

Good luck, you'll need it.

 

[gothie_rex]

I am an American, white, in my mid-fifties. I hate condoms and really want a true GFE who will allow bareback intercourse. Is it possible to negotiate GV ohne Kondom, in the FKKs? Or in any other venues, such as with the escorts/callgirls? This is a fairly easy service to obtain in the U.S if you know where and how to look--I can help anyone with that, if interested, if they PM me.

I have made several recent trips to the Netherlands, where I managed to find this service twice in Priviehuisen, but I have not had any recent mongering experience in Germany. However, I will be in Frankfurt for just a few days. I do speak fairly fluent German, so that is not a limitation.

I know I will get flamed for posting this--I am used to that, so I know I won't change any minds by stating that I do not consider fucking bareback to be any more or less life-threatening than any of the other, well-accepted sexual activities. But among the inevitable flames, perhaps there is someone who is willing to share some useful information concerning where to find this service?

Feel free to PM me with specifics, if you prefer to keep this info private. Thanks for any info you might provide!

 

[coral]

Feminatzi,

First, I am sorry about what happened to you by some sicko.

Second, I doubt that you can find out what is going through some sicko's mind on this form. The people on this board as far as I can determine, are just normal, but probable oversexed.

I have probable had conversations with over 1,000 young girls in this business, and not ONE was a victim of forced sex in any way. When I ask them why they are selling their body they admit it's because of the easy money. The female is always in charge, they never have to go with someone they don't want to. I would never have anything to do with any kind of forced sex or trafficking. Until lately because of the tv reports, I didn't think it really existed. It was just another spin attempt to pass more and more right wing religious laws against consentual sex by the usual misreprsentations. I have also helped quite a few of these girls by buying them cheap cars etc. so they can quit this profession when they want to. I am very good friends with some of them and talk to them often.

You ask what goes through a guys mind when we have sex with a prostitute. Nothing much different than when I buy a female dinner and gifts instead on normal dates for sex. (Sex costs money, one way or another.)

Me in particular, I want the girl to like me, have a good time and enjoy it. That way they usually give me a better time this time or maybe the next. I also enjoy the compliments of how good I am. They probably tell all the guys that however.

I know that trafficking does happen. However, in my view it must be a VERY VERY small portion of all the "pay for play" that happens with the "worlds oldest profession". Otherwise, why haven't I ran in to it on my frequent mongering trips all over the world?

One thing I do not like is what goes on with most of the street hookers in my town. Most became pregnant at an early age from their school age boyfriends and when they found themselves at say 18 with a child and no father to help, turned to drugs to escape. Their mothers have custody of their child, and they just want to party and not take any responsibility. It's a vicious cycle. They mainly use crack, which also makes them horney. They walk the street for the sex and the money for more crack or meth. The pimps then give them these hard drugs, and try take control and put them to work for them and take alot of their money. Our state has basicially free drug treatment, but they refuse to leave the lifestyle and go home. They say they will in a month or two, but most don't. They love the drugs and sex, and not having to get a real job and face reality. They go do a couple "tricks" in between, then party all night and sleep all day. Hopefully they will mature and realize the bad choices they continue to make. Unfortunely, some families have praticed "tough love" and kicked them out for their continued hard drug use. They are then "forced" into prostitution because they refuse diversion. I guess the John's feel it not their problem, and if it wasn't them it would be someone else. If the girls were not in prostitution for money, they would be in worse crime for the money to support the lifestyle the chose to be in. Many girls have told me this very same story.

 

[SunniDays]

Well, that's a nice way of avoiding the questions asked, try to correct my spelling (the correction was incorrect by the way). You'd have to be in the class to understand why we spell it that way.

To start, statutory rape is NOT the same thing as rape. When I say that I am a victim of rape, I mean that someone who called himself a "man" forced his dry, hard penis into me, while his wife watched, WHEN I WAS 5-YEARS-OLD!! Don't use that for a joke about our American laws, I didn't make them! It's not something that you can relate to (I know that men are rapped too).

I have absolutely no problem with prostitution. That is a choice that a woman makes. I support that kind of a choice. A woman can earn more doing that (and tax free in America) than she can working in a "respectable" job. If a woman chooses to prostitute, then great! The women you talked about, wonderful for them. And you. My research is not on prostitution, it's on sex trafficking (if you read CAREFULLY in the previous post you might find the phrase "forced prostitution").

Secondly, discrimination shouldn't work for ANYONE.

I never did say that crime was worse in Germany that it was in the United States. I have already started working on that issue. I have applied for a grant to help provide the means for photographing the migrant sex worker and sex slave, then publishing it. (I do not know if I will get the grant because the government has tried to keep this from the public...Bush is not a well-liked man here). Why should I not "agitate" over this issue? I have and still am agitating over the other issues you listed...I just didn't mention it or even what I was doing about it. I'm hear to ask the questions, I want to find out what crosses the customer's minds. I could take some of the posts to the psycology department and get some kind of Freudian analysis, or I could ask here.

 

[Candi C]

"Feminatzi": If you such a great academic how come you spell "Natzi" with a T? It's FemiNAZI....

Anyway there are excellent government statistics on the demographics of women in prostitution available from German and EU sources. Don't troll for info here. I have been mongering since mid-puberty (so I'm a victim of 'rape', too, i e 'statutory rape' by your weird sex laws) and even was the manager of one of the first FKK Clubs in Germany for a while. We had women applying for work every day and engaged them only after carefully checking papers, references and ID, including work/residency permits for foreigners. Same as all the other bordellos did. Police and health dept officials came around every other week or so to keep us honest.

The only way an illegal alien woman can prostitute herself in Germany is as a street hooker, which is highly unpopular.

Of the ~25 women who we had as regular providers two were married, one had a steady boyfriend, the rest were unattached and liked it that way. And none or them disliked the job. A good prostitute always looks forward to her next lay with anticipation. -- Hookers hate pimps and have a healthy distrust of all other men. Good for them!

There was a raid on a large FKK club in the German SW a couple years ago, and out of 60 or so women only 2 did not have the correct paperwork and 2 of the ~100 guests were found with small amounts of narcotics. I bet there are more trafficked people in German/EU construction and agriculture jobs, and more drugs at a rock concert, probably even at the Symphony!

So get real! If you really want to liberate your sisters let them work in this well paid profession where there is no 'glass ceiling', 'sexual harrassment' cost money upfront, and dicrimination works in their favor.

Come see for yourself, 'civilian' woman are admitted (read Shiatsu's reports) as long as they pay the admission fee and get naked (bet you're hung up about that!). You can hire me as a guide if you have the budget for it. If not, get a government grant while the getting is good.

If you get to know the scene you'll realize professional prostitutes are the most liberated of all women and, BTW, make great wives.

Of cause cruelty and abuse are all over, and, surprise!, in your own homeland too, and that in a BIG way. So as we say in German: "Kehr erst einmal vor deiner eigenen Tuer! - First sweep the dirt in front of your own door!" before you knock the German system of legal prostitution. After all, as we also like to say: It's only sex! BTW: German crime rate is only about 1/5 of the American one. So by logic deduction there should be 5x more forced prostitution in the US.

So pleeeeze... find a worthier cause to agitate for, like the way prisoners are treated and human rights are trampled on in your name, the environment is abused and the human capital of the world is industrially exploited by global corporations.

 

[Luna]

I am just curious, how much do you know about women who are paid to have sex in Europe (or most anywhere)? I'm asking because I'm writing a sizable research paper. I grew up in Germany. I happen to know that most young girls who sell their bodies don't even keep the cash. I know that they are not even native to Germany, that they were forced into prostitution. I would see these girls as my school bus passed by. A brief story from my research:
Sophia was a 16-year-old girl who was taken at knifepoint into a car. She was taken to be "broken in" by her captors. .

 

[chelsea.divine]

I can only offer my opinion. Reports I heard for FKk in berlin are kind of hit and miss. My expearance is still that nothing is as good as ATL in the best times i was there. I like world now. I have to admit that Palase is nice as far as the facilities but it has not outdoor facilities which for me put it out of the running in the summer. the food at palace is better but i agree that i have had more rushed service and more restrictions from girls at palace. I am biased as world has been my FKK home after the end of ATL.

 

[concerned]

Frankfurt:
THE PALACE ! Puts Oase, FKK-World and old Atlantis in the shadow.
AAmerican have a $300 fare from NYC. Ibis hotel 200 yards away is nice clean and handy. There were over 80+ girls mostly 9-10++ few 8 with other merits.

Prices as in other FKKs 65E to go in E50 half hr. inc. BBBJ, anal 100E extra CIM 50E Increasing number of girls interested in anal, all videos shown are anal.

One Polish girl "SILVIA, BBBJ super-expert looked startingly like Nicole Kidman. What more can I say !!!!

WHY CANNOT WE HAVE THIS IN USA? I believe that the new place in Berlin is as good - any feedback please. Suggestion don't go during a Frankfurter Messe Trade show.

 

[ces1958@verizon.net]

jimmy,
just want to say thanks for such an informative post!
we should have more peeps like you around.
expect mine in 3 weeks when i come back!