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I am a MT and I have frozen shoulder and have just gone thru 4 weeks of physical therapy with some improvments. I am still doing massage myself bc it doesnt affect my performance at all.

I hear that NMT or even myofascial is good for this condition. Just wondering if anyone has any experience having or treating this.


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Check for trigger points in subscapularis. One treatment gave a client full mobility without pain. The PT had helped, so maybe that base was why I had such good results so quickly, but you've had the same baseline. I did a bit of MFR, but mostly TPT, and almost all of it in the subscap.
 


I was reading my Trigger Point therapy book - self help......and it says to work on and look for TPs in the infraspinatus. But Ill do both. Ive been trying to do it myself with a ball and a wall, but not as affective.

Do you know, are most physical therapists able to do trigger point massage or any massage? THe place i was going to, the PT just left and I saw the new person today and I mentioned TP, NMT, and she tried to do "deep work" on my scap.......it was a joke! She kept asking me if she was hurting me....and I told her I couldnt even FEEL what she was doing. It wasnt deep work at all.....it was effleurage, and not even done that well. SOrry to sound so neg, but Im paying her, and it was for nothing. SHe wouldnt even stretch me out! The last pt was really working me, stretching me and then digging in to get the adhesives broken up. THis lady wouldnt do anything! she actually argued with me about going to see an MD bc she wanted to make sure this is what I have. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.

sorry, im just really frustrated. I dont know where to look for someone to work my trigger points, except for fellow students from massage school.
 


Trp in subscap as someone else said are often one of the culprits in frozen shoulder. Not sure how you could go about doing that yourself. Infraspinatus, supraspinatus are all great to work as well, as they cross the joint. I see no reason why you can't ask your peers to work on you, would be great experience for all of you.

Also look into pendulum exercises to stretch the joint capsule, and exercises to stretch subscap. Those you can do yourself. Heat before doing the stretches will often help. Then ice when you are done to reduce the inflammation.
 


Thanks. Ive already been doing penjulums as part of my stretching exercises my previous PT gave me to do, amoung others.

I found a book on Amazon by Clair Davies who wrote the Trigger Point THerapy workbk called FROZEN SHOULDER. THis is it. I went ahead and ordered it.

http://www.amazon.com/Frozen-Shoulder-Workbook-Overcoming-Regaining/dp/157224447X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9561273-1289612?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185241876&sr=8-1
 


Definitely have your classmates work on you!

Some PT's have more massage training than others. Most not much. Like MT's, or MD's, even, some will be much better than others. There is no way to generalize accurately on what a profession is good at.
 


Are you sure it is a true frozen shoulder and not just an impingement? A frozen shoulder usually takes 12-24 months to release. Physio's say they can fix it, MT's are taught they can fix it, surgeons just pull it out of position, if it is a true frozen shoulder nothing except keeping it moving and time will heal..
 


Im pretty sure its what I have. IF I had an impigment, I would imagine I would have pain in my shoulder, which I do not.

I have all the symptoms of Frozen shoulder.
 


That book looks great, Shane. I have the Trigger Point Therapy Workbook and it is wonderful, so my guess is this one is just as good. Let us know how it goes, okay?
 


shane said:
Thanks. Ive already been doing penjulums as part of my stretching exercises my previous PT gave me to do, amoung others.

I found a book on Amazon by Clair Davies who wrote the Trigger Point THerapy workbk called FROZEN SHOULDER. THis is it. I went ahead and ordered it.

Excellent book, lots of good info in there. I am treating a woman who came to me with severe frozen shoulder about 4 months ago. Between her PT and massage, she has most of her ROM back, but we've a ways to go. I have been finding loads to do in her subscapularis, infraspinatus, and serratus anterior, with secondary stuff in her deltoid, supraspinatus, traps, lats, pecs, and so on. She is by far the most extreme case I've seen to date, and I am learning a lot in the process.

She was very close to choosing the surgical option when I met her, and it's great to be a part of her non-invasive healing process. :D
 


Jason.....thanks for responding. Thats interesting that its been 4mos!

Im hoping to find another PT that can help me with this. Its a drag that my PT, who had alot of experience with this, moved away. Im just being deligent about the exercises and have found a fellow classmate who will work on my shoulder/arm for me. waiting for the book to arrive any day.

thanks again
 
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    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (10am-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. KITTY (12:30pm-9pm) : is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new
  41. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  42. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY; EVENING SASHA & SHAYLA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs
  44. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Nico works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (Colombia), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY (Vietnam), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (Hong Kong), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (Vietnam), ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (India) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  46. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI (Vietnam/HK), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ ANNA (Vietnam), ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ LUXY (Philippines/VN) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  47. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  48. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard street west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹New girl MIMI๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ apple- Sweet school girl with a large serving of naughtiness Angela- Slim beauty with long legs and nice proportions Julia- Exotic beauty with great service and attitude kโ€†k- Spunky fun in... Attachments Call and text 6478910699 Ask...
  49. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available open long weekend ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily, amazing touch, really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ‘
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young cute Taiwanese 25โ€™s slime open mind and sexy flirty Tina 30โ€™s with curly body open mind, sexy Coco and pretty GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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