Having trouble finding a room to rent.

Having trouble finding a room to rent.

tranquilspirit2006 said:
Since you've been seeing some clients at your home anyway, couldn't they continue to come there at whatever your rate is? And the other clients that are closer to the wellness place could either see you there (at their higher rate) or take a little more time to come to your home.

The hair salon doesn't sound all that great, to be honest. But if that works out better for you, try to negotiate with the owner. Say, you supply your products, table, decor and clean the carpet, and you want a 60/40 (or 70/30 or whatever split.) Just because an owner says this is the split doesn't mean it's written in stone or there is no room for negotiations.


I've got a few clients that come to my home and I intend to continue to see them, I'm just going to condense them into one day a week and one saturday a month. I've explained that to both of these potential employers and neither one is concerned about my running my own business from my home. They're both fine with that. That is nice.

I don't have any of my own clients located near the wellness center. If I ended up there, I would be starting over fresh, building a client base in my new town, which is certainly not a bad thing. The only advaneforum.xxxe to the hair salon is that I could regain and retain a lot of my old clients who aren't willing to drive all the way to my home.

I'm not really impressed with the hair salon either, but I'm not ready to write it off completely just yet. But, my initial impression of the owner and the establishment was not a great one.
 
Having trouble finding a room to rent.

Elliemare said:
"Do I forget my old clients and start over fresh in my new community, or do I travel the distance and hang on to those same old people I've known for 10 years?"
Something to consider with this decision (and you might have already considered it) is how far backward you're willing to bend to accommodate people who, even though you've known them for 10 years, are unwilling to travel to you. I don't know how far away you are to them now, but if it's an excessive distance/time issue for them then it's excessive for you, too. I just hope that if that's what you choose, you will charge them accordingly for your trouble. This could be an issue at the salon unless you convince them to raise the rates or give you a bigger perceneforum.xxxe like tranquilspirit2006 said.
 
Having trouble finding a room to rent.

Taoist said:
Elliemare said:
"Do I forget my old clients and start over fresh in my new community, or do I travel the distance and hang on to those same old people I've known for 10 years?"
Something to consider with this decision (and you might have already considered it) is how far backward you're willing to bend to accommodate people who, even though you've known them for 10 years, are unwilling to travel to you. I don't know how far away you are to them now, but if it's an excessive distance/time issue for them then it's excessive for you, too. I just hope that if that's what you choose, you will charge them accordingly for your trouble. This could be an issue at the salon unless you convince them to raise the rates or give you a bigger perceneforum.xxxe like tranquilspirit2006 said.


I know, that is one thing I've been asking myself. "If they're not willing to travel to me, why should I travel to them?" Also, house calls are exhausting. Especially trying to hit several locations in one day.

The salon charges a higher rate for their "therapeutic" massage. If I told my clients that this is the massage they are receiving then they would pay slightly more. The salon did say that after 90 days, if I've built a solid client base of either my old clients or new ones, they would consider a higher perceneforum.xxxe at that time.

I do have one more situation that I am on the fence about. Its a chiropractor's office that has an adjoining "spa" where they offer massage and skin care services. Its convenient to my old clients, but a long drive for me. The reason I haven't booked an appointment with these people yet is because they are looking for a "sub-contractor" (which means no payroll) but they don't "rent rooms"??? It just sounds like one of these situations where the sub-contractors are treated more like employees, not independent contractors. I've emailed them with more questions and I'm waiting to hear back, but if it is what I think it is, I don't want to waste my time running up there for an interview.
 
Having trouble finding a room to rent.

I have no advice for you, Ellie-- but I will share our story with you.

When DH first got his "people license", there was a lady referred to him who had... some serious chronic issues that he was able to help. Since he had no office of his own, he did outcalls. She lived about 20 miles away from where we lived at the time-- no small distance. She was a good, regular client, though, during a time when we really really needed those. She was one of a small handful who actually kept us going (and fed!) during that time.

Then came the time when we were ready to move out of that rented house and into one of our own. By then, he literally had clients all the way from 20 miles in that client's direction, to 20 miles in two or three other directions.

This gave over to a time of serious contemplation for us. DH mentioned several times that he thought we should "consider the location of our clients" when making our decision. I said, "WHICH clients? The ones who live over that way? Or perhaps you mean those who live ...^... up that-a-way, or ...v... down there? He thought about that and considered the people who gave him the most work (the initial client in this story). Problem was, "that area" was way more expensive than we could have afforded, and was not the sort of environment in which we wanted to raise our children (and having 9 of them, that was a BIG consideration. Not that it's any more important to us than to someone who has only one or two; it's just that our kids enjoy being outside, so a BIG YARD was necessary, LOL!).

I shook my head. Nope. We should NOT base our entire future around one person, no matter how good a client she may be. We need to base our future on where we WANT to be, and the clients will follow... or not, and new ones will come. He thought on that, and eventually agreed. We bought a house, on 1/2 an acre, in "this little town between here and there". About 10 miles further from "Mrs. Initial Client", and 10 miles closer to certain others.

"Mrs. Initial Client" has indeed come to see us in our new area (new *place* actually opens later this month, after 2 years at the "old office" across the street. Ah, it's confusing. Even to me.). Not nearly as often as we would like to see her, nor as often as would benefit her body. But that isn't our concern. Bending over backward to get or to maintain one or a handful of clients, we have learned through this, only puts us in the position to miss other opportunities-- opportunities which, we have found, are much more golden and certain than that initial handful which kept us going for so long. We base this on the *groups and type of people around us* now, not *individual clients*. Out of that initial handful, six or seven of them have indeed continued to come see us.... but far less often than "before", I don't think that's because we moved, so much as because "that's the way it is" with most people.

I've learned: no matter what anyone says, every client will only come when and if it suits them. Price-wise, location-wise, time-wise, or other-wise. I can't tell you how many clients have told us "You are my massage therapist for LIFE-- you can never move away because I NEED you. You're STUCK with me forEVER!"

And three months later, they drop off the face of the Earth.

Clients are like everyone else: they're fickle. They won't truly appreciate your bending over backwards to accommodate them. They'll *think* they do, and they'll certainly TELL you that they do, but in the end, they will always make their decisions on when, where, and whom to see based on their own set of personal criteria. And that is exactly as it should be.

But it has also taught me that *I*, too, should make my decisions based on *my* own personal set of criteria.

If you moved to your new area because you like it there, or because it is a better "fit" for you, or why-ever you did, you are now *there*. Why not take the opportunity to do some networking, meet some new people, and build a new practice? If your old clients *want* to see you, they will find a way to make that happen. But what about all the new clients-you-haven't-met-yet, in your new area, who would be missing out on your unique, excellent work, because you keep looking backward?

Alternatively (you may have mentioned this and I missed it-- if so, then I apologize), if you liked the "old area" so much, why did you move? (I'm not trying to be snarky, just asking.)
 
Having trouble finding a room to rent.

Thanks for the story! That's very helpful to me for putting things in perspective.

You are right, clients are fickle and thinking back now, I can recall several who swore their undying loyalty to me at one point or another and have since then disappeared. I do feel like I'm looking back, way too much. It really is time to move on. Its just so hard once you're in that comfort zone, you know?

My old area was much more metropolitan and I had access to a lot more people in general. Now I'm in a more rural community, which I love, although the population is smaller. I don't miss my old town at all. Especially since the crime rate is out of control and I was never a city person to begin with. I'm so glad to be gone and shouldn't really even be thinking at all about going back. We moved so that we could have 14 acres and horses.

We didn't base our relocation on my husband's job either. Actually I remember saying to him that he might change jobs some day and we'd be better off more centrally located in case other opportunities arise, rather than basing our whole lives around this one company. I think I'm craving the sense of self worth that I had when I used to be so busy. I was the bread-winner, putting my husband through graduate school and my clients kept me busy and I paid all the bills. Now I spend most of my days with horses and goats and in the gardens. Its wonderful, but I don't feel like I have much to offer these days? Hmmm, maybe that's why I keep 'looking back'?

I do think its time to move ahead, no more looking back. I don't owe my old clients anything more than the years of service I have already given them. I'd really like to persue equine massage and massage for the horse and rider. That's really all I can get excited about these days. I guess the task of starting over and building a business from scratch just seems so daunting. I think that is what I need to do though.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wednesday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€”34D Cici, Cindy, Coco, Echo, Tina, Lucy & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  34. Sunrise Spa:
    ๐Ÿ˜˜ We have a wonderful Asian spa in downtown Toronto ๐Ÿ˜˜ 302 Adelaide St W, 2nd Floor ๐Ÿ˜˜ Today is Vivian, Tiffany and Kitty ๐Ÿ˜˜ 416-916-7276
  35. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mimi๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A captivating and alluring new massage girl from Korea whose elegance and c
  36. lovefeetspa:
    Love feet spa ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’„Mississauga 3641 wolfedale road โ˜Ž๏ธ 6474602229
  37. lotushubspa:
    Hi, ๐ŸŽŠLouts๐Ÿ’‹Today is January 1st. I wish my customers a happy new year. I recommend the best female massage. ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŽŠ๐Ÿ’‹Yuki๐Ÿ’‹from China๐Ÿ’ฏLisa๐Ÿ’‹Taiwan, Coco๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฏKorea, living at 10737 Yonge St Unit13. Please contact 9052375885 or โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿ’‹4163565876๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฏ SMS, thank you
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  39. hiyamickey:
    6 girls work at Reinella wellness, Address:6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  40. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAlisa Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  41. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 7 different style masseuse please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉs working here
  42. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒwe have 4young beautiful girls working everyday ,RMT available Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,service queen Jessica ,she is very friendly nice girl,deep tissue massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…,short Q girl Lucy is very good looking,she got a lot experience very popular,big big boob sex Joey really beautiful face open maid,everything she can do๐Ÿ”ฅmust try
  43. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (11:30am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. BEBE : is a nice young Korean girl with a natural super busty DD Cup, petite
  44. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beauti
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMILY, KIKI & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body.
  47. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sophia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  48. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, TIFFANY & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 11 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, MONIKA, NINA, SUMMER, ASHA, PREETI, SARA, ANAYA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
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