Headache after massage

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I have a client that I've been working on for the past 2 weeks who has a prior history of migraine headaches. She's made changes in her diet and has them under control for the most part. However after both sessions, which were only 30mins each time. (I focuses on the muscles of her back both upper and lower as well as the muscles in her neck; The muscles of her neck were VERY tight) she told me that she had a bad headache after.
She says that she drank water after, so I'm not sure if it could have been a toxin headache or not. Could her headaches be due to the fact that the muscles in her neck are now loosed up from what they had been, and so the rush of blood to that area and her head is causeing her to have the headaches?
She's concerned that she shouldn't get massage anymore because of it, but I know that will just send her into another downward sprial of pain.
Help.
 


this sounds like a silly question but is she holding her breath during her massages? i hold my breath when i'm working out or super focused on something and it causes me to get headaches. if you're working real deep with her, maybe she's not breathing the way she should be and that's causing them. if that's the case, lighten up on her massages for the next couple of sessions. it doesn't have to be super deep pressure to get results. just a thought.
 


Neck work can cause headaches, dizziness & nausea. I agree with Terab - just lighten up on it. If she has trigger points in the SCM, work them gently and very short periods of time. You can go back to them 3-4 times in a session, just don't get on them and stay on them, or a headache is almost sure to follow. Giving up on it would not be helpful - you are right that she needs this work. Just remember it took years to get this bad, and will take a few sessions to work it out. Just work *to* the point of pain, not past it. Gentle work in this area can have amazing results.
 
Headaches

Yes, I surely agree and would say that it would be a combination of a toxin release and hypertonicity due to her not breathing through your techniques. Keep at it, and encourage her to keep recieving regular work, and stress proper hydration post massage.....believe me it makes a big difference flushing out those toxins! Take your time on those SCM/Scalene TP's, they can be a monsters to release, but will over time. Try some heat on neck and shoulders to aid in relaxing those muscles. Hopefully she will be feeling better if you try these tactics.

Love and Light-
Johnny
 
Headache after massage

I have also experience this syndrome with some clients. Many were migraineurs and had at least one HNP-hearniated nucleus pulposus-in their c-spine. Also, I found some other keys:
1. overworking the suboccipitals: one of them attaches to the dural tube.
2. client had a full meal before the massage.
3. the release of the neck mucles that were quite hypertonic brought on large amount of fluid to the cranlum.
4. client was on medication and/or dehydrated.

I have had a couple of headache clients whose necks I did nothing more than the CS still point-no direct techniques. This worked well.
I remember in lymphatic drainage that the jugular veins need to drain out the cranium. Perhaps working lightly to do this might help?
Cheers,
rubmyster
 


I would also recommend including abdominal & gluteal massage in your sessions with her. Many migraines are digestive or hormonally related, so releasing both the abdomen & hips are very effective. I also suggest ending the massage with some time spent on the feet. Energetically, this is grounding and draws excess energy away from the head. It does the same for the circulation.

Here's another thread on working with clients with Migraines, with some great information:
http://www.massageplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7622
 


You know, this happens to me. My necks feels great after it is worked on supine, but then when I am turned over and prone, my face in the headrest, I get a headache, my neck re-tightens and it's like I need the neck massage all over again!

Perhaps not using the face cradle or starting her prone first so you can end with a neck, face and head massage?

I don't know if the answer is as simple as that, but if you ask her when she feels it coming on, she might have the same issue.
 


If you were to release 'toxins' wouldn't this be harmful to your body or in fact kill you???
 


OffIce said:
If you were to release 'toxins' wouldn't this be harmful to your body or in fact kill you???

"toxins" is simply another way of saying waste material. Hope that helps clear things up.
 


palpable said:
OffIce said:
If you were to release 'toxins' wouldn't this be harmful to your body or in fact kill you???

"toxins" is simply another way of saying waste material. Hope that helps clear things up.

I prefer using the term "metabolic by-products" I feel it's a better description than "toxins" and doesn't scare clients.

Angie
 


OffIce said:
If you were to release 'toxins' wouldn't this be harmful to your body or in fact kill you???
Depends. :)

It's good to release your toxins. But, sometimes too much of a good thing, such as water, could be toxic. Water Intoxication makes you lose your electrolytes (salts and sugars) so that you become fatally ill and can result in death. So, please people make sure you also tell the clients to have a nutritious meal when they "drink plenty of water."
 
the myth of toxins

MT's are taught that we flush out toxins. Statements are not true just because they may be repeated over and over.
What specific toxins?
What is meant by toxins "released".
Released from where? Where are they hiding?
In what tissues?
If they are in a few tight muscles, how could these minute levels of toxins cause noticeable symptoms?
Where doesn't circulation flow?

I like this article, it's called "Flushing Out Myths"
By Keith Eric Grant, PhD, NCTMB

http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/article.php?id=10608&MERCURYSID=1c98ead11a3f6adbf9a145fe2b9fc4a2
 


A very good article. Perhaps a copy of it should be sent to all massage schools? I haven't believed in the "toxin" thing in many years. The way I've explained it to clients who come in having been told previously that massage "stirs" up and releases toxins is this:

I explain to them that massage increases lymph flow and for them to think of the lymph system as the body's garbage collectors. I tell them that just like they breath in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide (I use this example because it's one that anyone with an elementary education knows about) that this also happens on a cellular level. I explain to them that the lymph collects all of the metabolic by-products and takes them away for processing and removal from the body. Since massage increases lymph flow, it increases the rate at which these by-products are collected and processed. I tell them that massage doesn't caused any toxins to be released....it just helps to facilitate the body's own garbage collection.

One reason myths are perpetuated in massage schools is that students go there and are told these myths, then they in turn become the instructors there (usually with no further formal education, only exerience...not that experience doesn't teach us but......) and they tell the same myths to their students who one day become the instructors. As opposed to say high school science for instance. You have to have MUCH more education than the high school level to be able to teach there.

Again, a very good article backed up with scientific research.

Angie
 


I explain basically the same way Moogie does, except I don't argue the "toxin" thing they have already heard. Our A&P and Pathology/Pathophysiology instructor had taught these courses for many years at the high school *and* university levels, and described in detail (and using many science books/scientific studies) how when waste (cellular or systemic or intestinal) is not efficiently removed by the body, it does become toxic. Massage helps. Taking a brisk walk will increase the circulation as much or MORE than a massage will, but it doesn't change the fact that massage increases the circulation of blood and lymph, which does help facilitate the body's own waste removal system.

There are still doctors - oncologists, even - who tell their patients they can't have massage because it is dangerous, it will spread cancer through the lymph system. Now, that is silly. A brisk walk will increase the circulation of blood AND LYMPH even more than a massage, but they do not caution against that. Myths abound in the medical profession just as much as in the massage profession. The funny thing is that we got most of ours from them. :roll: Think how much formal training they have had, yet are lazy enough to satisfy their patients with any old answer, regardless of how inaccurate.

Hmmm, that could be a fun thread. Stupid things doctors tell our clients. I have a list somewhere.....
 
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    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JESSIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  35. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  36. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NANCY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  37. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask question :heart4 :heart4 :heart4
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  39. AliceSpa:
    3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SKY (10:30am-9pm): is Part time girl from Indonesia, petite 5'2", B Cup, 100 Lbs, long black hair, new to the biz.Young, fresh/cute, pretty, submissive, slim tiny waist, fair skin. bbbj
  40. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services...
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. CINDY is slim
  42. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CHRISTINA, MIA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open mind
  43. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and flirty Ivy 36DD with curly body 30โ€™s open mind, young sweet popular Michelle 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  44. Annie Spa:
    Gorgeous Young Petite Girl Judy, Sweet Tiny Young College Student Luna, Stunning Korean Girl Ivy and Busty Sensual Coco today ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’‹โค๏ธ Call or text May to book appointment 416-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏโค๏ธ
  45. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  46. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Yuki Sweet Singaporean Girl Sasa friendly Vietnamese girl Aiko Mixed Chinese/Japanese Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  47. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Superstar Julie, Sexy Bonnie, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  48. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New young RMT student Helen, Fun girl Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ APPLE AND HELEN๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  49. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Today we have three girls working, Vivi Sarah and Kiki, they are young, sexy and cute, with good massage skills. Sarah is 23 years old and still a student, she only worked one day.
  50. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair mina smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience โค๏ธvery sexy Vietnamese girl Amy,open maid,amazing the end,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿฅคall awesome massage ๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
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