Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

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I have been working with a female client (61 yrs old). She suffers from pain all over. May have fibromyalgia (though she's skeptical about that), may have Lymes disease (repeatedly tested negative, but just last week started antibiotics from her doctor anyway ... seems awfully late to be starting on that, but whatever).

She was in great physical shape and very active until two years ago and is still slim today. While on vacation (in Greece?) she suddenly started having strange symptoms, intense pain that inexplicably traveled back and forth between her arms, shoulders and wrists. It seemed the pain moved every few days or couple of weeks back and forth from point to point. At one point it occurred to her to stop taking the cranberry supplements she was on and the pain dissipated. Physical therapy also helped, but she still suffers from "frozen shoulder" type symptoms, noticeably restricted ROM.

1.5 years ago she took a misstep and twisted her knees. An MRI showed osteoarthritis in her right knee and right shoulder. The left knee is similarly achy and stiff. She has had physical therapy on her knees but still suffers some.

Her sternum aches, as does the front of her neck and the back of her legs. She believes she suffers from hypothyroidism (is just starting to see an endocrinologist). She feels like when she is moving she is "ripping" muscle fibers. She's also started suffering from a sleep disorder where she wakes up after two hours and can't go back to sleep.

Naturally, I decided to start tackling her structural issues with pelvic stabilization. We did the battery of hip, ankle/knee, shoulder and cervical spine assessments. She made a lot of progress with the pelvic stabilization over two sessions, so last time she came in we started on the shoulder protocol. That's where I got stuck.

When I did the assessment, the discomfort she described with either pain at the deltoids or deep within the shoulder capsule. She complained of no other discomfort as we assessed. Her abnormal shoulder numbers were:

Flexion (ideally 180หš)
R- 150หš
L- 155หš

Abduction (ideally 180หš)
R- 140หš
L- 45หš

Lateral/External Rotation
R- 70หš
L- 70หš
(close to 80หš normal)

Horizontal Adduction
R- 130หš
L- 130หš
(close to 140หš normal)

The following were normal:
Extension
Adduction
Medial/Internal Rotation
Horzontal Abduction

There was bone-on-bone like end feel to her shoulders (as much as I could tell at the low ROM; it was definitely not a normal end-feel).

So anyway, I proceeded to the shoulder protocol, but as soon as I got into the joint capsule work I couldn't abduct her arms beyond about 140หš without her having pain deep in the shoulder capsule. I did the lateral and medial plunge-rotate-decompress (lateral at the maximum abduction caused a "pinching" sensation, so I would back off), but I could never get past the less-than-ideal abduction.

We did try moving forward to the next step, but that was only painful for her so I abandoned that idea right away.

In frustration I finally told her I couldn't proceed and was sending her home. She knows I am still studying this work and is a really nice woman, willing to work with me. I've done this exact same work on several other clients with good results, so I suspect something else is going on (perhaps the osteoarthritis? Lyme disease?). I told the client I was going to do some more research and see if could determine a way to proceed with the shoulders.

So at this point I'm stymied and am seeking feedback or suggestions. Your thoughts would be appreciated!
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

Thanks for such a well thought out post. Would you mind describing the "shoulder protocol"?
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

Not sure if I can post legally, it's from Waslaski's Advanced Orthopedic Massage Manual. But here is the beginning as I've transcribed/abbreviated it. As you can see, I barely got into the protocol (three steps), which goes on for pages.

GENERAL SHOULDER PROTOCOL
Assess active, passive and resisted ROM. Bone-on-bone end-feel indicates joint capsule work is needed. (Otherwise, skip SJC work.)

โ€œVELVET GLOVEโ€ TECHNIQUE
โ€ข Sit at head of table. Client supine. โ€œAs I do these neck strokes, SLOWLY rotate your head only as far as is comfortable, away from my hand.โ€ Hand on forehead controls speed of rotation.
โ€ข Soft fist superior to clavicle, MFR down over upper traps several times.
โ€ข Soft fist over curve of neck at base, anterior to spine several times.
โ€ข Hook scalenes, soft fist MFR to spine. (Client still turning head.)
โ€ข Fingertips stroke occipitals lateral to medial several times.

PECTORALIS MAJOR
โ€ข Supine. SHE may need to move breast tissue down/medially.
โ€ข Stand side of table. Take hand, bend elbow, abduct arm comfortably. While rocking arm, palm MFR pec major sternum to shoulder several times. Bone-on-bone end feel? = SJC work.* (Otherwise continue without.)
โ€ข Palm MFR sternum to armpit several times deeper while rocking arm.

*SHOULDER JOINT CAPSULE WORK
โ€ข Supine, abduct arm to first restriction. SUPPORT AND STABILIZE SCAPULA (on top of or under shoulder w/even pressure). Other hand holds arm above elbow.
โ€ข โ€œVisualize joint softening.โ€
โ€ข โ€œThis work must be done completely pain-free.โ€
โ€ข Plunge, rotate towards head, decompress several times with varied rhythm. โ€œAny discomfort?โ€
โ€ข Then contact, rotate to restriction, deep capsular stretch; return to neutral, decompress. โ€œPoppingโ€ in fascia is okay.
โ€ข WATCH CLIENTโ€™S face, breathing, โ€œhelping.โ€
โ€ข Repeat plunges towards feet. MUST BE TOTALLY PAIN FREE.

The goal at that point is to gradually be able to completely abduct the arm as I move through the joint capsule work, increasing the abduction to the next restriction and plunge, rotate and decompress, then moving to the next restriction point and repeating ... all pain free. This I could not do beyond 140หš abduction.
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

when doing joint capsule work I start at a comfortable position - usually not even 90 degrees - usually only at 45 degrees - and gradually work up. I am looking to free up any restrictive tissue not just where end ROM is. If you've cleared out the joint capsule and can't get any farther then go back and do more myofascial work in the back.
If you are not getting any improvement at all you might want to change your focus.

I am happy with ANY improvement, there is no need to rush anything. As I tell my clients, I don't always get a "miracle" but you never know...

Pain referral into deltoid is often from supraspinatus. Just verify that if she had imaging on that shoulder that she does not have a bone spur irritating the supraspinatus tendon. And of course an inflamed bursa would preclude any joint capsule work. I have found that when there is irritation of the supraspinatus from a bone spur the "twisting" from treatment can actually aggravate the condition. Anyway, I would suggest backing off and not being so aggressive with the joint capsule work and just see where it takes you.

I don't understand the cranberry supplement connection at all.

Her symptoms would have led me to suggest that she get an evaluation from a chiropractor. Medical doctors will never refer to chiros because they treat most problems with medications only and do not seem to treat the physical body directly. I would guess that she has osteoarthritis in the cervical spine and some disc degeneration that is affectiing the cervical nerves.

My clients have had mixed results with physical therapy. In my experience they just go because their insurance covers it. They often do better from seeing me and of course I have a few clients that are PT's.... :grin:
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

ALMT,

Thanks for the additional info. I have c&p'd it into a PM to myself, in case you have to take it down.

I'll get back to you in a few days or so. Just have a whole lot going on right now with company coming in from out of the country.

But, don't think I am not replying because of the extra info. Just need to look through it to know exactly how I want to respond.
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

She may have even experienced a labrum tear depending on how she fell on her arms and maybe she's experiencing non-functional scar tissue pain from it? Here's some ortho tests for labrum tears and SLAP lesions, although she would have done it a while back from falling, maybe the scarring from it is catching up to her?

http://www.wellsphere.com/endurance-training-article/clinical-examination-of-superior-labral-tears-what-is-the-best-test-for-a-slap-tear-part-1-of-2/543185


Okay, ignore all that.....

'Course the saying is that the simplest explanation is usually the right one (Occam's Razor), sometimes I tend to go for the most difficult explanations! The pain upon abduction her arm can signify impingement, but while she stands have her abduct both arms out to the side as high as she can go. If she hits about 90 degrees and feels pain anywhere from there to 180 that is a sign of impingement which also is felt deep in the joint. This is called a painful arc. Usually the pain is the supra being impinged and this can occur when the infra/teres/subscap aren't strong enough to depress the humerus so the deltoid pulls the humerus into the lateral edge of the clavicle. Also, as mentioned by an earlier poster, there could be a bone spur there.

A note about Waslaski's joint capsule work-- it is taught by him to be done first before any other work to the shoulder. Also, the therapist is to start at the minimal amount of abduction to start with the work, not take the arm out to where the client feels pain and then slowly use the plunging system he developed. But in case there is a bone spur, I wouldn't recommend it and that's why it's probably better to refer her out for a diagnosis or at least check for bone spurs.

If you haven't already you might want to look into taking some of Whitney Lowe's courses. They are an excellent addition to the Waslaski work, Waslaski has some great technique but doesn't really delve into the actual conditions themselves or learning to really assess the client, besides using ROM which sometimes you need more! Anyway, both of those really compliment each other and from the work you do (reading your website) you would probably really enjoy it!
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

Great replies already - have nothing to add but kudos to the prior posters. :D
 
Hit a Wall with Shoulder Capsule Orthopedic Massage

I really haven't forgotten to post here... just haven't had enough time to really sit down and write something that might be useful.

Please be patient.

Of course, I might not be useful anyway............. :)
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the
  30. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Yoga Beauty Lucy, Strong RMT Girl Grace, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ GRACE AND LUCY๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  31. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Take a peek on Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Jennifer, Coco and Emily will be there to ignite all your desires. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  32. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Friday May 30, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๏ธ, Carla ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Cici ๐Ÿค—, Opal ๐Ÿ˜ and Vicky ๐Ÿ‘. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  33. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Cici, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Julia & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits
  34. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  35. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot busty Singapore ๐ŸŒน Indian ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  36. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: JESSICA is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs, curvy, soft white cream skin, pretty face, can bbbj cim dfk 69 cof sf2, available all services, excellent treatment. KITTY is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  37. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (9PM), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  38. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH (2AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  39. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (12PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (2PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: :wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica sexy body,deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily Q,friendly,amazing massage,happy the end,really popular,must tryโค๏ธ
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  43. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธCindy๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธNadia๐ŸŒธAnna Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKelly๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, MIA, SARA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile.
  48. EMSpa_schedule:
    ๐ŸŽ‰Come visit us!๐ŸŽ‰ Today (Thursday), our amazing attendants are Ada ๐Ÿ’œ, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Vicky ๐Ÿฅณ, Sophie ๐Ÿค— and Monica ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  49. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch wellness: Ella , elena, Angela, Michelle, gabby , and Vanna. Call us now to make your appointment. 437-522-9961
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Taiwanese Victoria slime 26โ€™s open mind and young flirty Tina 30โ€™s with curly body open min, young popular kitty 26โ€™s with curve body and pretty Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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