Lomi Lomi Massage

Alan, thanks for coming back and updating us with your training.

Sounds really interesting, i'd love to hear more about the massage technique, how you use it and how is it to give, and most importantly what is it like to recieve as a client?

Thanks
Mat xxx
 
Hi Mat

I have really enjoyed receiving the massage: having the whole length of the body from the shoulder to ankle โ€˜smoothed outโ€™ in one flowing stroke feels really relaxing. The depth of pressure does depend on the therapist giving the massage: over the two courses, I have so far received treatment from four different students, and one of them did use very much lighter pressure than the other three.
I have had this type of deep โ€˜full lengthโ€™ effleurage several times in Jamaica, and in hotel spas in Europe, but there seem to be very few tutors in the UK who teach such techniques: most of them prefer the โ€˜ITECโ€™ method of doing โ€˜one bit at a timeโ€™ (although I am lucky to have found an excellent therapist within travelling distance of Croydon who is very good at such full-length strokes). The other massage which I have sampled which gives a similar feeling of deep relaxation is โ€˜chavutti thirumalโ€™.
Giving the massage feels relatively easy because the therapist is using bodyweight and leaning into the client, rather than using muscular strength. In this respect it is broadly similar to the style of massage taught on some sports massage and deep tissue courses. But one difference is that Rosalie Samet seems to disapprove of the wide โ€˜lungeโ€™ stance which is commonly taught on other deep tissue courses: she prefers the therapistโ€™s legs to be kept only about hip distance apart, so that the therapist keeps moving the feet (in a sort of Hawaiian dance motion) as he/she moves up and down the clientโ€™s body.
One difference between the โ€˜Lizy Newtonโ€™ technique and the โ€˜Rosalie Sametโ€™ techniques is that in Lizy Newtonโ€™s treatments, quite a lot of work was carried out underneath the clientโ€™s body. With the client face down, this was largely restricted to work on the quadriceps; but after the client had turned into a supine position, the massage included some long strokes with the masseur standing at the clientโ€™s head, placing his hands under the clientโ€™s shoulders, and then sliding the hands and arms along the length of the clientโ€™s back.
The other issue with this type of massage is draping (particularly with supine female clients). Rosalie has told us that in America, female clients are usually โ€˜toplessโ€™ to receive the massage. Most of the women on the current Morley course didnโ€™t seem keen on this; so firstly, Rosalie has segregated the men from the women (so that the massage is on a same-sex basis) and secondly, the women are draped so that the โ€˜loinclothโ€™ covers their breasts and abdomen as well as the genital area. However they are required to leave the sides of the body bare, so that the draping is less secure than most of us are accustomed to. On the earlier โ€˜Lizy Newtonโ€™ course, I worked on two women who were draped in this way, and it does require careful placing of the โ€˜loinclothโ€™ so that it doesnโ€™t slip to one side and expose a breast. Also, from a male perspective, having the loincloth tucked into oneโ€™s genital area can feel a bit intrusive.

Regards

Alan
 
Hi

The oil which is generally used in Lomi Lomi massageis Kukui nut oil.

The Hawaiian word โ€œkukuiโ€ means โ€œenlightened,โ€ and this highly penetrating oil was treasured by ancient Hawaiians for its soothing and healing properties.

High in Linoleic essential fatty acids with vitamins A, C, E absorbed through the skin. Used by Aromatherapists for psoriasis, sunburn, irritations, superficial burns, chapped skin, baby oil, minor skin disease, moisturising and renewing skin for a natural look. Kukui Nut Oil penetrates, moisturises and helps renew skin for a natural, healthy look with anti-oxidant vitamins A, C, E. Useful for psoriasis, a penetrating oil and when smoothed on the skin it soothes and softens sunburns and irritations. In Hawaii new born babies were bathed in this easily absorbed oil. It has a reputation of being excellent for the treatment of superficial burns, chapped skin and some minor skin diseases. This oil is high in Linoleic acids, which are essential fatty acids vital to the metabolism of healthy skin. These organic fatty acids cannot be synthesised by the body, but must be acquired from dietary sources. Kukui Nut oil is readily absorbed by the skin, providing those tissues with essential elements.
 
An interesting discussion, [/align][/align]For some reason I thought Hawaiian massage was done with both the practitioner and the recipient standing up and being more akin to a wrestling mach than a massage as in a bear hug etc. you learn something new every day :-)[/align]
 
Hi Paul

Sorry to disappoint whatever ideas you may have been harbouring about wrestling with your clients, but we havenโ€™t been taught anything resembling such a technique !!

With regard to Mantraโ€™s comments about Hawaiian kukui nut oil, Lizy Newton advised us against using this because



Morley College advised us to bring almond oil to the classes (although personally I prefer to use grapeseed, in case any clients have a nut allergy).

Regards

Alan
 
Hi Alan[/align][/align]I do remember watching a TV program about someone travelling around the world and trying out different things in different areas, the program showed a massive Hawaiian who looked more like a sumo wrestler, at one point in the treatment as it was done standing up. The therapist put one arm around his shoulder and the other went between his legs and he lifted him sideways and squeezed him and then proceeded to shake him.[/align][/align]Not quite what I had expected to see but it looked very impressive :-)[/align][/align]IMO I think one of the problems we have is imported therapies are often adulterated and westernised when they bring them across, this is a real shame as if something is worth doing then it is worth doing it properly.[/align]
 
Hi Paul

Thanks: the more I learn, the more curious I become about the different types of lomi lomi / Hawaiian massage !

Regards

Alan
 
I'm 'bouncing' this thread, not because I have anything much to add to what I wrote two years ago, but in response to Bodywork's recent query.

Alan
 
I was fortunate to study with Rosalie Samet several years ago when she was still in Glastonbury. Last I was in touch with her, she had moved to Sussex (Hove) if anyone is looking to experience this style.
 
Temple style lomi lomi, I've seen it done when turning the client over, I've usually seen the client being turned over by sliding them around on the table, but if the therapist is strong enough, actuallylifting up the client is an option, sometimes a bit of a walk around the room. It makes good TV footage, but a minute either side of that footage would've been someone lying on the table with someone working on them, not nearly as entertaining

Lomi means to knead, so it is just the word for massage, and there are different styles or lomi. Lomi is also used for kneading anything - Lomi fish is a well known traditional dish - the fish is marinated and massaged with the marinade (usually in a plastic bag these days).
 
Cola

Thanks for the information. I was also interested by your comments on the โ€˜naturistโ€™ thread:



Both Lizy Newton and Rosalie Samet teach โ€˜temple styleโ€™ lomi lomi. Iโ€™m not aware of anyone in the UK who teaches a more โ€˜prudishโ€™ style? But the book โ€˜Hawaiian Lomilomiโ€™ by Nancy Kahalewai discusses more conventional (and prudish) styles of massage. Rosalie Samet was trained in Hawaii by a Hawaian named Abraham Kawaii, and Lizy Newton was trained by Susan Painiu Floyd who was herself trained by Abraham Kawaii. One notable feature of Kahalewaiโ€™s book is that she goes out of her way to criticise Kawaii (for apparently being willing to teach what may be termed โ€˜tantricโ€™ techniques โ€“ although neither Rosalie Samet nor Lizy Newton gave any suggestion that this had been an element of their training).

Regards

Alan
 
Alan, when/where did you train with Rosalie? Where we at the same Level 1 course, Glastonbury, late 1997? I've a terrible memory for names, sorry!
 
Abraham Kawaii lomi lomi is commonly called temple style lomi lomi for people trying to differentiate what type of lomi lomi it is. If there is 'flying' (the name of the dancelike feet & arms moves required to get the famous flow of the massage going), it's temple style, if they have Abraham Kawaii in the lineage, it's temple style. If they have Auntie Margaret, it's not temple style.

There are other styles too. Celtic KaHuna also teach Heartworks lomi lomi, which is similar in the flow to temple style, but it is done with the hands. (temple style uses a lot of forearm moves) Heartworks has the same minimal draping as temple style. Heartworks is actually a lot easier to learn, short weekend course, and it's less demanding physically than temple style. Temple style you can build up a lot of energy and fell very energised after giving a treatment, but it can be physically demanding, though people don't seem to feel it until it's a crashing burn out, doesn't seem to come on gradually. The crashing burn out is like the endorphin high of sport, people over do it (we're talking lots more than 20hr a week), and then it just crashes. Temple style was originally basically a rite of passage type treatment, just for special occasions, usually just for royalty/high ranking people, people would not be giving temple style often. It traditionally is a marathon style massage, it is meant to energise the practitioner, because it was often done for days on end, 24hr a day, with different people doing the treatments, until the shift to the next level had been made.
 
Thanks Cola

In reply to Derek - I trained with Rosalie at Morley College in London (see the first page of this thread)

Regards

Alan
 
It is rather late for Helena's initial query, but there now seems to be a Lomi Lomi therapist in East Sussex: see http://www.hawaiianbodywork.co.uk/

Alan
 
Hello!

I practice the Hawaiian Lomi Lomi massage too - it is very popular. Shame it is mainly guys that come for the massage, rather than women, but thats just the way it has been for me...

I wonder if any women out there would care to comment on why this is? Is it because they would feel uncomfortable getting naked with a strange guy? It is a lovely, sensuous massage, though as londonmassage pointed out, hard work on my back, with all that moving around.

If anyone is still interested, there is this american woman coming to town, in a couple of weeks, to teach a 4 day course. Looks like it could be good. Check it out http://www.carrierowell.com/uk-09.php Although I have done a couple of Lomi courses this does wet my appetite. Its always good to expand ones repetoire.

Oh, and Rosalie Samet at huna-massage is very nice also.

JJ
 
Hi Jag

How are you doing? Nice to see you on here.

I did survive Thailand last December, no probs!

Cheers

Reiki Dave
 
Good Gosh!

Reiki Pixie is really Reiki Dave!!! Fancy 'meeting' you in here! What a fabulous coincidence!

Hi Dave! Good to 'see' you! My girlfriend thinks she is a pixie - funny you call yourself one too!

Glad you survived Thailand - a good training trip? I didn't make it unfortunately - made it only so far as Egypt.

Aloha!


Jag
 
Hi Jag

You never know who's on 'ere.

Alex sent her regards and has just come back from holiday.

All is well here. Never worked is hard. Credit crunch hasn't affected my work!!!

Up in London next bank holiday weekend. Going on a Qigong workshop and visiting a friend I met when studying on Maria's Thai massage course.

Hope you are well.

Dave the Reiki Whisperer

(everyone is a whisperer these days - dogs, cats, angels, ghosts....)
 
Yes, a Hi to Alex too!!!

How is she doing? What is her screen name?

Glad to hear work is good! Time to crunch the credit crunch! Whoever came up with that term???

I can't seem to get a pic on my profile!! Help!!


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    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  33. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  34. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  35. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  36. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  37. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  38. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  39. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  40. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  42. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  43. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Taiwanese Victoria slime 26โ€™s and young flirty Mia 25โ€™s with curly body , pretty Ella and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls today, Niko and Kiki. They were both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back massage were great.
  46. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  47. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Sexy Busty Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ HELEN AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  48. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ190 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Fun Girl Angela, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  49. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Tiffany She is new as MPA From Philippines Slim Body Great Massage Fun personality Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed
  50. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Tiffany, Vivian and Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
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