NEED HELP ASAP!!!!!---LAW ISSUE!



WBHCC said:
But I do have more questions about keeping record of customers. How do you keep record? Give them a form to fill out during first visit, like visiting a doctor? It is normal to ask them for personal information, such as name, home address & phone number? I didn't keep customers' record because I think getting a massage is like getting a nail service. I don't think most nail salon keep customer info? I am not sure about this, if I am wrong, please correct me.
OK. From this point forward, I'm going to respond as if WBHCC is a legitimate massage therapist. I looked up those initials on the internet and found this listing in the new jersey on-line yellow pages:
Link removed at request ~ Masthera
Since this center offers chiropractic services as well as massage, I'm surprised it isn't standard practice for all clients to fill out New Client/Health History forms upon arrival. However, maybe this is a cooperative, where independent therapists share space and offer their services together as a "Health Care Center".

Like Leener, I'm starting to think WBHCC speaks English as a second language. That would make recordkeeping difficult, and I can see why someone would avoid it. However, if you're providing therapeutic massage and advertising yourself as healthcare, you might want to start keeping records. The request from the lawyer is a good "wake up call."

Here are some places to start learning the basics of recordkeeping for massage therapy:
http://www.sohnen-moe.com/forms.php

WBHCC, are we right about the language barrier? Do your clients often speak English as a second language as well, and therefore have trouble filling out paperwork? If you speak the same language as your clients, you could have them fill out the paperwok in that language, instead of English. For most of us, recordkeeping is a way to ask the necessary questions that lead to the most appropriate treatment for our clients. It's also a way to keep notes on what techniques worked, what didn't, what progress is being made, and any special considerations for each client. I don't think there's any rule that says these forms need to be in English.
 


True.
Leener said:
However, it does sound from the reading of the poster's posts, English may not be their first language, so I would have to ask if the poster learned massage in another country?

And name removed per request ~ Masthera Care Center happens to be located in the same town the friend I mentioned lives in. He told me he went to apply for a town licensed and that is what the terms for massage work is.
 


I just have to jump in here and say, Holy-Jumping-To-Conclusions Batman!:shock:

I understand that the words "parlor" and "massuse" tend to send up red flags to those of us in the field, but let's be honest they are still very much in use in the lay-population. I am constantly having to offer gentle reminders to friends and clients that the word "massuse" is outdated, has less than desirable conotations, and that we generally prefer to be percieved as professionals and thus refer to as "therapist," "practitioner," etc.

Further, it is not unusual for MTs in states that don't require client record keeping to not keep records. I practice in CA where massage isn't regulated and many folks choose not to keep records based on personal preferences. I personally prefer to keep detailed records on my clients and their treatments both for my protection and reference. However, I admit that I may sometimes slack off on regular clients that I've seen for years.

My point is, I feel that some posters jumped to conclusions about WBHCC based on their own issues with terminology and constructs under which they work in ther home state. The result was not only unproductive for WBHCC, but may very well have left him/her feeling pretty alienated. As a community of like professionals I would hope that we could give each other the benefit of the doubt and respectfully not jump to conclusions or accusations.

Having said that, to answer your question WBHCC, if a lawyer contacts you on the behalf of ther client they are probably just trying to get proof that you provided a service for that person. Most likely they are trying to win reimbursement for that service. I agree with the poster above who said that you shouldn't feel that you are "in trouble." My advice would be to contact the attorney and explain that your state does not require record keeping and ask if you can just send a recipt for service.
 


Perhaps there are some of us who don't meet the standards of tact and politeness and have jumped to conclusions, however, these are understandable conclusions. I'm not saying they are necessarily right, and perhaps it might have been a better idea to be a little more tactful. My apologies.

The poster has not returned to answer where she was educated and why she has no idea how to fill out basic information forms. Is there anyone else here who never learned that in school? Apparently, I have a lot to learn about what other stuff is out there, as it was a surprise to me that there would be so much walk in business for a new massage therapy place, but apparently, there are several others who have had quick success with that and I guess location, location, location is so very important for something like that. I don't know...maybe there are schools out there that are not teaching about intake forms. I live, work and was educated in NJ and I do not know of any here who are not teaching this basic stuff.

The poster has also not returned to answer why she chose to lie about the answer she gave to the attorney. There was clearly no reason to lie, as NJ law does not mandate that you be certified. If you are not certified, you are not mandated to keep records. And, why would a diligent business owner not know what their responsibility is?

I wonder why clients would not want records kept?

The original post he/she made was the very first post. They never came her to ask good business advice about opening up a massage business and did anyone have any advice about what they needed to do or not do. Perhaps she didn't find the board until she was in potential legal trouble.

I thank all of those of you who opened my mind to the many possibilities of what the case may be here. I still consider it, however, there is too much that doesn't make sense to me.

I am still curious to know the answers. I don't know, if I have given people the wrong impression of me, I always like to explain as much as I can, so they understand my position and if I were the original poster, I would have indicated that I was from another country, state, etc. or that there's a language problem (although English might not be the primary language, there certainly seemed to be enough understanding to work out forms!).

If they are running some other type of business, that is fine. I just would prefer they not disguise it as massage and that the not come here to find out how to do things legitimately. I would hope that the other professionals here agree, including the original poster if they are also a legitimate professional in this industry.
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (9PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  42. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ LUXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  43. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA (Iran), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA (Hungary), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (Hong Kong), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (Colombia) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  44. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Feifei๐Ÿ˜˜Our new Japanese beauty Feifei specializes in creating an intimate and deeply relaxing massage experience tailored to your desires. Her soft, skilled hands glide effortlessly, easing tension and awakening your senses
  45. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: APPLE (11am-9pm): from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs, petite with natural C Cups, small waist, pretty baby face, smooth skin, very clean. Shaved tight Pu**y, strong professional massage. Available FS bbbj cim cof rim. CLOUDIA (10am-9pm): is Vietnamese, young
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, NANCY, SUSAN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. NANCY is a curvy and very friendly Spanish girl, who has all the versatile skills you need. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Mia 25โ€™s with curve body and sexy Coco, pretty Ella and flirty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls working today. Niko and Kiki. They are both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back walking were very good.
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
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