Negotiating with chicas

[M.P.M]

My interaction with street girls is limited to a "bam, wham, thank you mam"
I never inquire and couldn't care less about their "padrote/no padrote status".
Personally, I believe most SG have padrotes.

 

[Leigh]

You are right... it is better that way... I am going to only think with my other head... the one below my waist from now on.... too much thinking in TJ is not good....

 

[Pompal 09.]

badguy, you don't have an F'ng clue what goes on in TJ. Let's see how that goes? "Based on my research and experience."?? LOL LOL. And then you proceed tell life time TJ veterans that you know better than them. Seems to me you have an IQ just short of a SG to make an asinine claim that only 1% of SGs have a padrote when more than 90% are controlled by them. That's more than being an ignorant monger statement, that's just plain stupid. You jump in on TIJUANA and tell TJ mongers that you are the "Know it All".

How about you show us your smartness and greatness and come to TJ with a pretty chica and just put her anywhere of your choosing in the Alley or on Constitution. Go ahead pick out a spot. And I will DOUBLE DARE YOU to stand within 20 feet of your chica. And you better damn well be there to protect her bro.

 

[OscarMeyerRina<3]

Burt was being conservative. The number is greater than 95%

Do you really think these young chicas come to Tijuana and are so dedicated to their jobs that they come on time, don't leave early and stay at their post regardless of the heat, the cold, the rain, the wind or any other unpleasant condition?

The part that does not make sense in your post was that you talked with a local and he did not confirm this.

I would like to see Mundo chime in on this.

 

[ashleycoolcat22]

That sounds like too much work to put in a puta. I should just do it my way or is it have it my way

 

[Wolfy Owns]

Oh no, please don't get me wrong.... I don't want to be the White Knight that comes and rescue them. i am only stating what I think about their status based on my research and experience.... I don't believe that 90% of them have pimps.... 1% maybe, but not 90%...

 

[thathingg]

My porn experiences in tj are more like those 5 minute clips I download for free from the internet. Fun, none the less.

 

[felix]

thebadguy I see that you are applying for the position of "Knight in Shinning Armor", I hope it works out for you.

 

[Winston]

I am not saying they are common amounst the SGs.... only about 5-10% of them would do it, and only after 2 or 3 sessions..... the key is to find the girl and mold her into what I described.... it takes some work, but it can be done....

Conversation is a must, and knowledge of Spanish is very helpful.... you have to buy them food or drinks afterwards and listen to them; ask them about their kid(s).... etc...

 

[gordon3392]

I have a hard time believing the three statements. They can offer whatever they want but will they deliver. But even then I don't come across "a lot" and "some" of these chicas offering what you say. I'm assuming you're talking about Paraditas. In this case let me say that I interview plenty of these Paraditas. And I just don't see it. I have some trouble getting them to go from 2 to 3 positions without the price going up. Needless to say the other things you mentioned. I come up with different ways of getting a great deal and for the right price but it doesn't happen "a lot" and "some" with these chicas. You can kick and scream when you're dealing with them but with many of these chicas you just won't be able to strike the kinds of deals you mentioned. I don't even see these kinds of deals with BG's(lots of them and some of them).

 

[Dorf1701]

Burt: you along with Sampson are great contributors to this site, and your opinions are highly valued by all of us. By looking at your reviews, I get the impression that you have financial gains by promoting escort services, which is perfectly ok. However, I disagree with your opinion that 90% of the SGs have pimps. I can speak basic Spanish, enough to carry out a conversation. I have spoken to a lot of the girls either during the session or afterwards in one of the ugly establishments in the Zona. Most of them are good in nature; born in a poor family, didn't have a chance of education, got knocked up early and have nowhere to go in life.... they come to TJ on bus with friends; they rent an apartment to share costs; work for a fix amount of time; leave TJ forever and start their lives.... most of them are very honest; I have never had a girl who try to rob me when I go to the bathroom or charge me extra for no reason...in a way, their actions are noble because it is no different than any one of us going down the mines to work.... they won't be of a lower class forever... remember, the Kennedys come to US on a steam boat and early generations acutally worked as maids; and today they are like royalty.... Bottom line is this: it takes the sacrafice of the early generation in order to better the family name..

You have mentioned that I should talk to some locals... well, I have.... I have a friend who is a 40 year veteran of TJ... that's right 40 years.... He can write a book on the Zona.... he tells me that some of the girls are acutally working as teachers, social workers down south in the peublos and do not get paid a lot of money.... this is a part time job for them..... some of them are saving up for education, and actually emailed him from Canadian Unversities, thanking him helping them get there.... he even met some in San Diego, when they finally got their student VISAs....

There are even cases where the SGs acutally marrying clients.... it is not uncommon.... I have also spoken the Mexican American friends. For some reason, they have a deep resentment against the SGs in their intelligence and social classes.... In fact, most middle class Mexican Americans don't even come to TJ.... they prefer working the night clubs in SD and try to get laid....therefore, they have very minimum knowledge of TJ and the Zona....

In conclusion, the SG I met are quite determined.... they may be under-educated, but they are not stupid.... they don't do drugs, and are goal-getters.... i would not be surprised if future middle and upper Mexicans are their descendents....

 

[Cran]

If you want a chica to actually get your money then avoid doing street girls.

About 90% of street girls have a padrote (pimp). About 50% of bar girls have a padrote.

(You don't really think street girls stand hour after hour in shoes that make their feet hurt, day after day, come rain or shine, because they've got a great work ethic do you? They're there because their padorte makes them be there--so he can make money.

If you don't think 90% of street girls have padrotes then learn some Spanish and talk with the locals. When you gain their confidence they'll tell you who the padrote is and where he hangs out. If you hang out in the Alley you'll even spot the padrotes dropping off the chicas and picking them up. Been there, done that.)

Typically an escort pays the agency 1/3, which is much less than the 100% a padrote takes. Also an agency does some work—by obtaining clients, etc.—whereas a padrote does nothing to earn his money.

There are lots of young escorts out there. I’ve dated many escorts who are 18 or 19.

The fact that a chica is a young street girl does not mean she's inexperienced. Any type of “puta” is only inexperienced for a short time. In short order they all become experienced--it comes with the job. Street girls do more clients in a day than most escorts and MP chicas do in a week. The truth is street girls become experienced very quickly. If you want inexperienced girls then check out MP chicas and escorts.

 

[x3xiaoqi]

Very simple: Mexico and the US use different business models. (Those of us who live in TJ see what you're taking about day in and day out; it applies of all type of businesses in TJ.) Here's how it goes:

US businessmen/women try to make more money by increasing sales. Hence they lower prices.
Mexican businessmen/women try to make more money by increasing profits. Hence they raise prices.

It's sales volume vs. profit margin. US businesses concentrate on sales volume; Mexican businesses concentrate on profit margins.

There's actually some logic in the difference. In the US the potential pool of customers is larger than in Mexico. A large pool of potential customers favors increasing sales volume; a smaller pool of potential customers favors increasing profit margins.

 

[AuthototagBum]

OK to clarify my post below: I didn't ask for MSOG and I assume it was not on the table... I usually am more interested in getting a drink and moving on to the next girl. So by Sampsonrico's definition it wasn't quite GFE; but I was more than happy with what I got for $40

 

[GSD PAL]

Thank you... I couldn't have said it better myself.... besides, prostitution isn't a professional with contracts and extensive negotiation. It is the oldest profession in the world and agents are not necessary in my opion. Like SMD said, the client always pay for the service as well as the agent fees.... I will stick with SG for the reasons I mentioned earlier.... I will never believe that SGs are brain washed and give 100% away. There may be one or two in a thousand, but not everyone....

Besides, I think the Escorts are noramally older... I have done SG who looked not a day over 16..... but could of been at a legal age.... some don't even know how to apply makeups.... I love young and inexerience over old and experienced....

 

[The Wiz]

Hell, Iam 52 years old and I last a whole afternoon with my GF's doing precisly GFEs, PSEs, et al.

20 minutes??? wow...

And I agree with Sampsons GFE definition....

 

[Dan L]

Very good point and why chicas normally prefer to work in escorting. Now those guys that go down South and recruit do find uneducated chicas that often cannnot use silverware....you will find escorts more comfortable in high end establishments. Whereas an escort pays a small finders fee (commission) the paradita gives 100%.

 

[irenaaneri1980]

May I interject a different point of view also?

I have been aware of this for a long time. gmbrldx: are you aware that some CPAs and other licensed professionals also use various types of marketing agents?

I don't know if it is most professionals, but certainly a significant number of them (which generally varies depending on the profession).

As a licensed professional myself, I have direct clients, and I also have worked directly for CPAs as a full-time and as a part-time employee and as an independent contractor. I have also worked as an independent contactor for some legal firms.

I have worked with and for firms that use marketing agents. I never have contracted with a marketing agent myself, but I have paid commissions and finder's fees under differing scenarios. So I've seen and experienced many of these types of arrangements (and have been privy to their details).

The key point that I want to bring forward is that the customer always pays the freight for these agency arrangements: a significant cost!

My observation in the industry is that firms that use lead generation are always the highest cost firms - and not because they are the best. It is because their costs are the highest. And they pass all of those costs to their clients. It is not uncommon for firms to have a higher fee scale applied against the clients that were "funnelled in" by these costly agents.

Certainly for my direct clients, for whom I was obligated to pay a commission or finders fee... I always found a way to have those clients pay a premium to me that made up for the "placement costs" that I incurred.

The main reason this can happen is because customers are all types: knowledgeable, sophisticated, hardworking... or naive and lazy.

Marketers are experts at bringing in the stupid lazy clients that are eager for a gouging!

And their clients pay directly for those services by paying premium rates for TJ chicas.
It is that simple.

I find nothing wrong with it either. I have never objected morally to Sampson or Mundo getting their commissions. I also have never hired an escort agency. Nobody needs to help me find a hooker in a red-light district. So I choose not to pay the premium their chicas cost.

However it also allows for sharp businesspeople to extract premiums from some clients.

yes, it is.


I ALWAYS found it more convenient to just enter La Zona at my convenience and pick who interests me at the moment. I would not find it convenient to be required to keep a pre-arranged appointment time - even a future appointment time that I selected.

I don't compete in any way with the escort agencies. I have met both Sampson & Mundo. I've even volunteered small amounts of money to Sampson's endeavors and even given a small item used as a door prize for at least one of his raffels.

Respectfully delivered - SMD

 

[P3RF3CTLY FLAW3D]

TheBadGuy, may I interject a different point of view? You are no doubt aware that performers and athletes have agents, yes? You may or may not be aware that many in the financial industries such as life insurance agents, real estate agents, and stockbrokers use lead generators to find potential customers. Even doctors and lawyers use services such as these. These agents or lead generators or marketing directors or customer funnels or whatever you want to call them provide a very real service. No one is forcing these professionals to utilize their services; some professionals do their own marketing and lead generation. However, most ultimately find that it is their own best interest to focus on what they do best -- service the customers to the best of the abilities -- and allow someone else to generate a steady stream of business.

This is the service that Sampson, Mundo/NOB, Tania and others provide. The chicas can "go it alone" or they can use the services of these individuals. Personally, I find nothing wrong with it. A free and fair marketplace generally finds the most efficient manner in which to conduct business. You disagree and choose not to patronage. That is your choice. But when Sampson says that he works for the chicas, not the other way around, he is telling the absolute truth. Send him an e-mail or call him any time from around 9 a.m. in the morning up until 10 p.m. or so at night, your e-mail will be answered swiftly and chances are he will pick up the phone promptly. (Mundo/NOB is almost as prompt as Sampson. Because Tania is also still a working chica, she will sometimes get back to you somewhat later. [An existing customer comes first! No pun intended.] LLA has been hit and miss for me and I have not dealt with AdultBaja.com for a long time.)

Disclaimer: I get no kickbacks, freebies, discounts, special services, etc. from any of these folks. They do not know who I am (as far as I can tell) and I do my best to keep it that way.

Experiment: Try seeing how long it takes you to get a returned call or e-mail from some of the independent chicas from sexytijuana.com. Many are working with an agency but some are independent. Aye! It amazes me that they can stay in business. But they can be fun (and cheap!) when you actually do hook up.

Happy Hunting!

Respectfully submitted,

gmbrldx

 

[Incense & Peppermints68]

MSOG has nothing to do with PSE...PSE is clearly defined as anything you would normally see on a porno including anal and sex without a condom.