One bar - one girl?

[mars]

Hang on a minute...how does this thread reading that title come down all the way to a muslim investigation and behavior?

All I can really say about BF a girl from the same bar?

Well, wouldn't it come all down to a very common sense of feeling to certain people you develope over time (or even a short
night in that matter).

Either you don't give a toss and the other part doesn't either, or in the case the other part does give a toss, you would just move
on to the next bar and not go to that next level of inconvinience.

Many bars or girls provide different situations, in some cases would raise a "ding dong" alarm to anyone an use a few feelings or
common sense to not go further and all will be fine going forward, in my opinion.

 

[hali :)]

From how I read his post I don't think that he was calling you a spineless pussy MRDK. In fact the opposite...

 

[apple]

well, if you make that natasha a "Mee" or "Ling", I have seen the same behavior here in Dubai, too.

Staying for 3-4 days around, phone number exchange, text messages, marriage proposals, no difference really if you would let it develop...

Just didn't fall for it, maybe not tropical enough of an environment here ;-)

Now, back to Natasha, there's simply not much of an GFE to be experienced with the pimp calling in every five minutes to check the situation. And that's it as far as I can see.

 

[Bubbles DeVere]

5555. tis a shame, as i'm not into polish girls and their clumsy big boobs and thighs or it might have been good. i'm sure the leaving of a 6 pack would be an additional 100 euros on your hotel bill though 555

 

[Pompal 09.]

A lot of good points made there by PS, Dodger, Marc26, et al.

As I see it, you have in the TGs, the traditional Asian group-think approach, which is mulit-generational. They are bred not to only think of themselves, but of the generations that preceded, and the ones to follow. Western girls are thinking about themselves only. It is the "ME" approach in the West, and only even considers the next generation, when the kid is born or in the oven. Even then, "ME" often takes precedence over the kids, as they would often rather get divorced, at a great expense emotionally, and materially, to their kids, than to "put up" with less than de facto submission from their husband.

My experience with East Euro girls(EE girls) is very limited. Although just met the new secretary at one of our offices, Gallina from St. Petes, yesterday, and had a nice flirtation! Lovely! 555...

But, all the same, it seems like they fall somewhere in between the Western "all about ME" approach, where the guy is expected to sign on to their program, and the Asian "all about US"(their family) approach, where the girl "take care" the guy, even if she's not really so mad about him, because, in return, he "take care US"(her family).

It does seem that the EE girls are leaning a bit more towards the Western approach, from what I hear you guys saying. And this shows in their P4P attitudes. It seems that they aspire to the sort of independence, or even dominance, that many Western girls are demanding. Yet, perhaps, they are more practical, and willing to settle for less than that, when it seems the best course. Which puts them somewhere in between Western girls and TGs, and able to go in either direction, as practical considerations dictate.

Do the EE girls, have the same(or even close) level of feeling obliged to their parents as the TGs? My sense of it is that they don't, or not to near the level of the TGs. Perhaps someone with more experience could comment on that.

 

[Old Kid]

Found some interesting stats: In 2005(most recent date I uncovered), 25.5% of births in Netherlands were to 1st and 2nd generation immigrant women. That % was up from 21% in 1996.

So, by 2025, approx. 25.5% of children 20 yrs of age would be children of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants.

Additionally, growth by immigration was at approx. 23% of the birth rate,i.e., birth rate = 10/1000 and immigration rate = 2.35/1000.

If those figure remained consistent, then is easy to see, over the course of time, how the ethnic/religious make-up of a population could change radically.

Source: http://www.demographic-research.org/Volumes/Vol19/9/19-9.pdf

 

[Miss.Lucy]

And at the same time do not stir your mates porridge.............:whistle:

 

[~*StarryEyedSurprise*~]

Also , i agree, take as many girls as you want from the same bar. As long as you aint promised anybody the word, you are the customer, up to you .........uch:

 

[Annettest]

You sound like you have a major chip on your shoulder about western women and it comes across in a lot of your posts. I would say we must come from different places but I know nothing but good women in 3 locations I've lived: Boston, NYC, and Vancouver. So it can't be location. I actually sat here for a minute and tried to think of any women I know that fit your description and I honestly don't know any that fit that all about ME description. Not in the least bit. All the women I know in my life, from family, ex-gf's, spouses of close friends are the exact opposite of how you describe. All are hardworking girls who only think about their family and their kids. Some work and are at their kids event the minute they are out of work.
Sounds to me you need to reassess the type of women in your life. Or you last statement is very telling. You sound like if a women shows any sort of independence then she is just a "*****"

It would suck to have the attitude you seem to have towards women in the west.

 

[Jalaal]

Agree with your assessment the way JB's post was written.
If he would have said Western People vs. Thai People it would have more generalized valid points.
This would especially be true in the way that family members financially support each other; in particularly upwards.

 

[coldplay24]

i went out with a polish girl in NYC for a year
amazing body with fake boobs

 

[Annorax]

In Dubai? Or in Baku? Or elsewhere?

 

[D.Russell]

Seems like there is a business oppurtunity to produce a T shirt with I am a butterfly on it in Thai ....just a thought Joe

 

[Busiwoman]

I think you are reading far too much into his post, I didn't get that feeling from what he wrote.

Women are IMO too 'independent' in say the UK, at least for my taste. If I want someone to go out with em and get pissed and do silly things, I'd rather that be with friends than with my partner.

I'm attracted to women that are the opposite from me, whereas women (at least where I'm from in the UK) act just like the men (who I also believe are becoming more androgynous).

I say independent but that's not really the right word, the 3 serious girlfriends I had before moving to Thailand, not a single one of them could cook, or operate a washing machine, yet I myself could and did.

 

[leapfrog44]

So when you answer your door, what do they say? Do they just hand you a price list or menu for their services?

P.S. The "clumsy big boobs and thighs" are A-OK with me!! :ytounge:

 

[Voudu]

ok, sorry, I see...that topic has developed into more science than the OP meanhwile :wai::jap:

 

[hello.]

Those Polish girls... so clumsy looking....

 

[Michelle R]

Actually, I love women and get along great with them. But I do live in CA and have seen most couples I have ever known get divorced. With some exceptions, not more than 10 to 20% of them. It is either when the husband is very dominant, or when he just gives the wife her way, that things work out the best. Have only ever known one couple that were successful with a truly 50-50 relationship. And, to be honest, I think that guy had a bit of an edge, 'cause his wife seemed inclined to usually go along with his way of seeing things.

Then I look at my sisters, from back East, and who is calling the shots in their relationships? Big sister says and does whatever she likes, and sometimes it is downright embarrassing, hearing the way she talks to her husband. He just shuts his mouth, and rolls his eyes, as if to say, "Well, you know what a ***** she is!" But he loves her, just the same. And she loves him. She has also been a fantastic parent to their 3 kids, two from his first marriage. But it is just accepted that she always gets her way, no ifs, buts, or ands, and don't ever think otherwise. I love her, think she is an awesome lady, can be very sweet(cause she always gets her way). But she is also a super*****, the minute things don't go her way. Her husband doesn't dare disagree with her about anything.

My younger sister is a total sweetheart from the word go. Her husband is very successful, a very smart guy, likes to live the good life(spare no expense), and likes to call the shots(you remind me of him). But she confided in me about 10 years ago, that she was planning on divorcing him. He was 100% faithful, would never look at another woman, but she felt he was too caught up in his job, traveled too much, and basically, she was tired of him calling the shots. When she told him, he gave up the megabucks job, and changed his whole life, just to please her, so she wouldn't dump him. I think he did the right thing, and they seem very happy together now.

BTW, my sis is also gorgeous, extremely intelligent, always upbeat, and very easy-going, a pleasure to be around. And a better mom , you will not find. She is and always has been one of my favorite people in the whole world, and I think the world of her. She really is an ideal woman in almost every respect. But in the end, she would have divorced him, had he not given up his ambitions, and changed his lifestyle to suit her. She loved him, but was not happy with the relationship any more.

And that pretty much describes my ex, who is a wonderful woman. I think the world of her, as well, and we get along great. I love her, but no longer as a husband loves a wife. But we have a very close relationship. There just came a point in the relationship, where things weren't working so well. She said it was making her unhappy, and it was her way or the highway. I'm simply not like my brother-in-laws. Truthfully, I think she soon came to regret her decision, but I didn't really think that it would be any different, if we got back together. Now she has adjusted, and seems happy with her life. We are good friends, and I bear her no ill will.

And I could not be happier that my kids have her for their mother. She would lay down her life for those kids. But, just the same, when she was unhappy, she was willing to put them through the pain, rather than make any compromise on her way of looking at things. She assumed that she was 100% right, and could, in no way, see my side of any situation.

BTW, my bro has a great wife. She is an old-fashioned Southern girl. When they start to butt heads, she will back off, give me a sly smile, and a wink and say something sweet to him. Works like a charm! She knows the meaning of "you catch more flies with honey!" But there is no doubt who wears the pants in that family. She was divorced from a guy who was a bit of a jerk, and she really appreciates a good man!

Being in real estate, may give me a somewhat slanted view of relationships. For one thing, I see a hell of a lot of divorces, where people have to sell the house. For another, I deal with a lot of women agents, who tend to be more hard-nosed and tougher than their male counterparts. And, especially, I see who makes the decisions, when couples are buying houses. 90% of the time, it is the gals, who decide where they will live, and which house they will buy. The guys have some input, but mostly they are trying to keep the wife happy. Which I guess is because it is not pleasant to have a grumpy lady around, and, also because they want to get laid.

I love women. I respect them, and get along great with them. And let me tell you, I have been SORELY tempted by some very nice gals these past few years. But I value my freedom, and understand what it means to give it up.

Paul, you are an alpha male. A guy, who is, by nature, very much in charge. And you have made that very clear on your thread about your relationship, although it was already very obvious to me. You were the one willing to tell her, "my way or the highway," when you butted heads over the debt for her Mom's operation. In that sort of a situation, many farang women will jump on that challenge. They will either back you down, or call it quits, and take you for half of what you own, in the process. Many guys will back down, or if she is smart, she will give them a face-saving option, so they can salvage their pride.

Of course, they are not all like that, especially not when they are younger. As they age, they get tougher. And there are some guys, who, right from the start, call the shots, and always will, because that is their nature. If they get the right gal, it can work very well for them.

But if that is the way women want to be, independent and strong, then that is their right, isn't it? I am not putting them down for being that way. It is what it is. I could put a whole positive spin on it. My daughter is a bit of a ball buster, and I am very proud of her. She's got more guts than all but a very few men.

So, it doesn't suck to see things as they are. Which includes there being some very accommodating women out there. And includes having a respect for women's desire to have more power in their lives, demanding a role in decision-making, and not deferrring to their husbands, as was the custom in my parent's days. But when women take the initiative to feel that they need to be more involved in decision-making, it seems to often eventually result in their getting their way. Because they tend to be way more patient, persevering, and determined, and will eventually wear down all but the toughest guys, over the course of the years.

 

[Marcia]

Mai thai bar has T shirts with Walking ATM in english and Thai...I think that conveys the same message pretty well

 

[afosa_ragazza]

I will concede a little bit.
Sure some girls are looking for a pot of gold; .... I mean a good man with a big heart.
In that respect all the power to them, if I was in their shoes I would probably do the same.
Having hopes and looking for opportunities, however, does not change the fact that they are in the P4P business first and foremost.
Considering the the primary engagement, the girls should not have any further expectations or, as I said, they are in the wrong business.
Perhaps a dating site would be more in order.

Yesterday I was having a drink with DennisInKamala and Rob(up2yoo)/wife. Dennis was schmoozing with the same lady for the fourth night.
Although it was not more than just that, schmoozing, I would agree that it would not be proper for him to go back tonight and switch girl.
On the other hand I BF'd a girl in the same bar and when we separated this morning I was happy and so was she. She left fully aware that I would not take the same girl twice.
In fact, she told me that she was looking for a farang pot ... sorry good man and I made it clear that I was not for her and she fully understood. Actually I am sure she appreciated me telling her so, so that she [in her quest] can seek other company and I can butterfly to the next flowers nectar.
So, would I BF another lady from this very bar. In a heartbeat ... except I saw none other of interest.

Let me underscore my point.
In P4P the primary interaction is Pay For Pleasure.
Everything else is secondary.
So long as we all know each others stands, I see no problem bar fining every single girl in a bar if one so desire ... or all of them at once.