The problem I find, with your thoughts, are that the people who I think you are describing are still going out and causing the trouble which does happen. They just drink there £5 bottle of cheap vodka or there case of Alco-poops, then go out and annoy the rest of us! At which point the landlords dont have any real control of the situation.....
As for your second point about well run businesses, its a difficult one..... because well run CAMRA type pubs will still get custom through there real ale customers and they tend to be quieter than the more main stream public houses, so attract people who want a quiet night out too. But they can only be one of these in each area, as they tends to steal customers off each other. So if one of more of the same 'type' shut down in an area, they boost the surviving establishments.
The same thing with food orientated places. The can only be a certain amount per population, as if every pub in a neighbourhood changed to that market. Most will go broke due to the small(ish) market.
While you might argue that the "better run" premises are the ones that would ride out the competition and get stronger. It is no guarantee. People are funny, and choose favourite places on many a different criteria......!
Pubs are still popular though! As the small town I live in (pop: 25,000-30,000) has at the moment 15 public houses and another 5 hotels and clubs with public bars (down from 40+ in the 1900-1910, when the pop was around 5 000. So number have been dropping since well before the last 10 years!). In the past 12 months, two of the pubs have closed twice now and been bought and developed. In both cases the first time about 10-12 months ago, by people who had no clue and just re-decorated. They both shut again at the end of the summer because of differing reasons. They have both been bought again (1 large riverside for £280,000 and the other, in the centre of town, at auction for £50,000 for a 7 year lease.) and the new owners have plans to change them in to food orientated pubs.
Now this is where I live, so I know that of the 15 pubs that are here 7 of them are food orientated already with one already being owned by the company/man who bought the riverside pub. Is there enough people eating out in this town to support all these?? I dont think so, but other people seem to think so and they have money!
Maybe in the future, the concept of a public house will die and be replaced by restaurants with a bar instead........ :slap:
As for your second point about well run businesses, its a difficult one..... because well run CAMRA type pubs will still get custom through there real ale customers and they tend to be quieter than the more main stream public houses, so attract people who want a quiet night out too. But they can only be one of these in each area, as they tends to steal customers off each other. So if one of more of the same 'type' shut down in an area, they boost the surviving establishments.
The same thing with food orientated places. The can only be a certain amount per population, as if every pub in a neighbourhood changed to that market. Most will go broke due to the small(ish) market.
While you might argue that the "better run" premises are the ones that would ride out the competition and get stronger. It is no guarantee. People are funny, and choose favourite places on many a different criteria......!
Pubs are still popular though! As the small town I live in (pop: 25,000-30,000) has at the moment 15 public houses and another 5 hotels and clubs with public bars (down from 40+ in the 1900-1910, when the pop was around 5 000. So number have been dropping since well before the last 10 years!). In the past 12 months, two of the pubs have closed twice now and been bought and developed. In both cases the first time about 10-12 months ago, by people who had no clue and just re-decorated. They both shut again at the end of the summer because of differing reasons. They have both been bought again (1 large riverside for £280,000 and the other, in the centre of town, at auction for £50,000 for a 7 year lease.) and the new owners have plans to change them in to food orientated pubs.
Now this is where I live, so I know that of the 15 pubs that are here 7 of them are food orientated already with one already being owned by the company/man who bought the riverside pub. Is there enough people eating out in this town to support all these?? I dont think so, but other people seem to think so and they have money!
Maybe in the future, the concept of a public house will die and be replaced by restaurants with a bar instead........ :slap:
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