Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

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Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. Such as:

- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment

- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash

- Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify

- To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

Also, what is a good way to contact the candidate and has anyone done it and what was your experience? I sometimes feel that poiticians don't know we exist.

I realize politics are an EXTREMELY explosive topic so I am deliberately not saying which candidate I am interested in. I am posting this topic b/c I genuinely want to know where our candidates stand, and not make people on this board fight over politics.
 


Both candidates have websites which contains most of their policies. You can also use their websites to email them. Now...I'm sure the candidate themself won't answer your email but someone on their staff will.
Barack Obama's Site

John McCain's Site


Another thought is to contact you local branch of whichever political party you belong to (or even if you don't belong to it) and they should be able to give you more one-on-one information.

Angie
 
Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

Anastasia said:
Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. .

The Tax Foundation provides a comparison tool

http://www.taxfoundation.org/candidates08/

Anastasia said:
- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment.

Unless you are considered "politically rich", meaning making over $50K per year, you probably don't pay federal income tax, and probably still get a rebate check due to the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit, both of which subtract income taxes dollar for dollar and can reduce income tax liability to below zero.

Simply put, the bottom 40 percent of earners colยญlectively pay no income taxes, and many actually receive checks from Washยญington. The little tax burยญden that they pay is in social insurance taxes, as well as excise taxes (such as gas and cigarette taxes).

So for many "hard working families" (I am still trying to figure out what families don't work hard) there are no income taxes left to cut.

Unfortunately, for anyone bold enough to be successful, Barack Obama wants to raise your taxes by repealing the tax cuts already in place.

John McCain has flipped flop, deciding he is now for letting us non-hard working families keep more of our money.

Anastasia said:
- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash.

BHO wants to raise the cap on the payroll tax for SSN, meaning you pay FICA on all earnings. This is not good for small businesses, many of which report business income on a schedule c or as an S corp. This income would now be subject to FICA

But the reality is, you are not taxed twice. If you were employed, and only paid half your FICA, your average wage would be lower than being an IC where you pay your own. So you pay 6.7% less, but you will earn about 8% less. Most businesses - ours included - pay ICs about 10% more than employees because of this factor.

Anastasia said:
Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify.

You can be an employee of your own S-Corp or LLC to qualify for the plan. Problem is, current tax code counts health insurance benefits to anyone owning more than 2% of an S-Corp or LLC as taxable income.


Anastasia said:
To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. .

I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat, when to work out, etc. Businesses are doing that -- not hiring smokers, rewarding employees who work out -- and they catch and earful and the occasional lawsuit from the ACLU and Trial Lawyers sniffing out "discrimination". If a business wants to do it, more power to them. Don't like it, work somewhere else. If they all do it, get healthy or start your own business. Gov't does not offer such flexible alternatives when they get in the business of mandating behavior.

Anastasia said:
For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

You can thank the AMA for that. Heaven forbid anyone other than an MD can help you be well and healthy.
 


R&R,

Thanks for posting. I found it most informative. I liked that tax comparison. It's a bit scary though...

Great topic!
 


I love this website and it has helped me understand my own leanings:

http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
 


I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat

Well the government already does this, on behalf of Big Ag, in the form of the highly flawed Food Pyramid (http://www.mypyramid.gov/) Their plan suggests I drink 3 cups of milk per day. Disgusting.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see any emphasis on whole grains, and a decreased emphasis on meat... the industry must have failed to donate enough money to the right people or something.

To the OP, if you are interested in this topic, research the Farm Bill... it's hilariously disturbing.
 


This just in...

McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!

For example...say you start a wholistic medi-spa, and put $100K of your own money in as equity and $300K in debt financing (both bank loans, LOC and your personal money you lend to the business)

In 10 years, you sell the business for $500K. By that time, all of your debt will be paid off, so the sale price of $500K is relative to the $100K investment, or a cap gain of $400K.

Aside from the income you drew running the business to pay our daily expenses, that $400K is the payoff for building a successful business. And very likely, it will be the bulk of your retirement funds since few self-employed folks can fully fund their retirement account options for the full 10 years of the business operation.

Under current tax law (those Bush tax breaks for the rich) you would pay 15% on the $400K, or $60K.

Under Obama's proposal, cap gains rates would be 30%, or twice that so $120K in taxes.

McCain's new proposal would mean your 10 years of hard work would all end up in your bank account -- $400K free of capital gains taxes. You risked your investment, you reap its rewards. And let's face it, a $400K payoff after 10 years is far from being rich, so why should you give 1/3rd to the wasteful gov't (after all, you were paying income taxes on your earnings during the 10 yrs you ran the biz...they got their share)
 


I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me. I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
 


peacenut said:
I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me.

This is not just about ME or any one individual. The incentive to create a business is what creates jobs.

What could be better for any community than jobs? No government program is as successful as a job in eliminating poverty, creating a culture of self-reliance and personal responsibility and giving people hope for a better future for them and their children.

The government does not create many worthy jobs -- most of them just eat up your taxes while the dole out the rest of your tax dollars in an inefficient manner. Less than 50% of the $ allocated to social programs actually get into the hands of the recipients.

When citizens know their hard work and risks in starting a new business -- over 70% of new businesses fail -- will result in a more handsome reward for that risk and hard work, they are more likely to take that risk.

To think that cutting capital gains taxes only benefits the individual receiving the benefit is only seeing a sliver of the picture.


peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.

Don't you worry....it will!
 


RelaxandRejuvenate said:
peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
Don't you worry....it will!
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

http//www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html
 


Blisss said:
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

Except anyone who has a mutual fund or retirement investment is an investor, and that means over 70% of the American public will be subject to the Capital Gains tax increase.

70% is more than most.

If the Cap Gains Tax increase stifles job creation -- and it does -- then those tax cuts really don't mean a whole lot to someone who does not have a job
 


Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?
 


Even Alan Greenspan, (not exactly a raging liberal and a good buddy of "McBush".... er I mean "McSame"... I mean "MCCAIN".... so confusing..) thinks McCain's economic plan is a disaster and he means a disaster for EVERYONE.

Read all about it in yesterday's headlines.
 


Rose of Sharon said:
Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?

yes, but there is an exemption for primary residence sales -- the first $500K of gain is exempt if you have lived in the home any 2 out of the last 5 years.
 


R&R said:
McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!
Obama has proposed the same thing.

Anastasia said:
Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals?
Here's a good article, entitled "Ask an Expert: OK, so who is the small-business candidate?"

http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/strauss/2008-09-15-candidates-small-business-1_N.htm
 
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    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Philippine ๐Ÿ’– Germanyโค๏ธ Japanese ๐Ÿ’– girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  31. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, โ™ฅ๏ธRICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New Young Helen, Yoga Lucy, New Girl Eva, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญHelen and Lucy๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  32. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tuesday ๐Ÿ’œ Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†• Aliyah, Lucy, Yui, new Jojo, Coco, Cici, busty Amber, Kelly & Viva โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  33. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New โ—๏ธ New girl Anna dainty and cute! Sexy body Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of p
  34. wilson holistic centre:
    ew girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธXuka Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. wonderspa:
    . ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Tuesday RMT available, Today's special recommendation ๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐Ÿ˜ป ๐ŸŽlong hair Lucy Q smile,very good strong to relax oil massage,got a lot experience,๐Ÿ˜very nice good looking sunny,amazing massage really relive your stress,give you comfortable time๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนmust try
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  38. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: LUCKY (12:30pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, small body, busty D cup, very beautiful face, Young/Cute/Petite/Pure/Submissive, Fair Skin/Perky Ass/Sweet, Super Open-Minded bbbj cim cof rim, excellent service, also strong massage. KITTY (12:30pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  40. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. CINDY is slim
  41. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, JENNY, KELLY & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. KELLY is a young Singaporean lady, slim with C Cups & liberal skills. JENNY is a sweet & young Korean girl with C Cups. Very versatile services. TIFFANY
  42. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Angel ๐Ÿ’• Very beautiful girl from Taiwan, very curvy, young and sexy, she can provide a great massage and wonderful touch and super service. Angel is so sexy, especially her 34C breasts and her big juicy tight bum you can wors
  43. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lucy ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  44. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Cherry , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Anika ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Selena ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต
  45. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธIsabellaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  46. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Vicky 30โ€™s with curve body and young sweet Mia 25โ€™s, young sexy slime Sophia 30โ€™s and Cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  47. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, ANGEL, SARIKA, SABHA, AMANDA, MIMI, ASHA, ANGELINA, KIRAN, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga
  49. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Sami Vietnamese Girl Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite girlโ€จโ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New โ—๏ธ New girl Anna dainty and cute! Sexy body Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of p
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