pricing options, looking for feedback pls



So many great posts, thanks. :) I totally agree with Dave and YFChoice. I want to have 5 minutes between clients so they don't feel rushed, so I don't feel rushed, so there is a chance to talk and get to know the client, offer stretches, etc. The main reason that I love to do massage is the people! I want to get to know my clients and I feel that the more you know about them the more you can help them. Also, if you have a few minutes to talk and listen it makes them feel more cared for and special as a client. That's my take on it, anyway.

Dave, great point about not charging less for more frequent appointments. I was only thinking of it in terms of an incentive and you brought a whole new perspective to it, thanks.
 


YFChoice said:
As far as companies dumping paying for their employees because the rate is higher than if the employees paid themselves.....again, no problem. The companies I target are so wellness oriented....they really care about their employees and they show it. They're not concerned about the cost........they don't want their employees to have to pay.

Don't kid yourself. All companies are concerned about cost. If there were not, you would have no trouble charging the rates that we charge.

My original point about charging the company less than what you would charge for employee paid is not that companies would dump the program.

Firstly, what companies do all day long is cost/benefit analysis. If employee-paid rates are lower, and it is up to the MT to organize, schedule and manage, then the company will eventually wise up, re-imburse the employees and let the MT deal with the headaches. They won't dump the program, just make it cost less and easier for them.

Secondly, employee-paid means you won't always be 100% occupied - even with your 5 min cushion - so charging less per hour PLUS you will have fewer clients per hour = lower overall income.

In essence, the company is buying in bulk -- you are there for 4 hours and paid for every minute. Employee paid is buying the convenience size, and there is no guarantee of how many you will have per hour. Convenience never costs less because it is more costly to provide.

YFChoice said:
R&R, I wish I could charge the rates that you do. But this is Salt Lake and a lot of business here is dependant one way or another on the Mormon religion.....so I have to contend with not only touch issues, but money issues. .

Be careful.... substitute any other religion or ethnic group for the word Mormon and see if you find what you wrote all of a sudden might seem offensive. It is to me.

We work all over the country, and find "touch" issues in nearly every market. It is not exclusive the LDS.

YFChoice said:
Plus, it seems to me we have an unusually large number of therapists (incl. a lot of new graduates) who seem intent on competing to see who can charge the least. I've had a number of them approach some of my companies and offer their services at almost 40% of what I charge.

Ah, yes. Therapist on Therapist crime...the great race to the bottom. The schools need to do a better job on business education and the impact of low pricing.
 


RelaxandRejuvenate said:
YFChoice said:
As far as companies dumping paying for their employees because the rate is higher than if the employees paid themselves.....again, no problem. The companies I target are so wellness oriented....they really care about their employees and they show it. They're not concerned about the cost........they don't want their employees to have to pay.

Don't kid yourself. All companies are concerned about cost. If there were not, you would have no trouble charging the rates that we charge.

My original point about charging the company less than what you would charge for employee paid is not that companies would dump the program.

Firstly, what companies do all day long is cost/benefit analysis. If employee-paid rates are lower, and it is up to the MT to organize, schedule and manage, then the company will eventually wise up, re-imburse the employees and let the MT deal with the headaches. They won't dump the program, just make it cost less and easier for them.

Secondly, employee-paid means you won't always be 100% occupied - even with your 5 min cushion - so charging less per hour PLUS you will have fewer clients per hour = lower overall income.

In essence, the company is buying in bulk -- you are there for 4 hours and paid for every minute. Employee paid is buying the convenience size, and there is no guarantee of how many you will have per hour. Convenience never costs less because it is more costly to provide.

YFChoice said:
R&R, I wish I could charge the rates that you do. But this is Salt Lake and a lot of business here is dependant one way or another on the Mormon religion.....so I have to contend with not only touch issues, but money issues. .

Be careful.... substitute any other religion or ethnic group for the word Mormon and see if you find what you wrote all of a sudden might seem offensive. It is to me.

We work all over the country, and find "touch" issues in nearly every market. It is not exclusive the LDS.

YFChoice said:
Plus, it seems to me we have an unusually large number of therapists (incl. a lot of new graduates) who seem intent on competing to see who can charge the least. I've had a number of them approach some of my companies and offer their services at almost 40% of what I charge.

Ah, yes. Therapist on Therapist crime...the great race to the bottom. The schools need to do a better job on business education and the impact of low pricing.

R&R, the only thing I agree with you is, that the schools need to make a more concerted effort in teaching business.

I am not naive. And I don't kid myself. You do know a lot about business principles, and I understand those principles.......but I'm not so sure I like the way you do business. I've been doing chair massage for 7 years and have been very successful doing it my way. I am making a good living and I have an extremely loyal group of clients. I exercise the principles of business that work for me.......but I think that I am also successful because I am a good massage therapist with good people skills.

I'm glad you work all over the country. But I live here in Salt Lake City and I think I have a better understanding of what works in this city than you do. I did not say that there are not touch issues elsewhere....I merely said that it is one of the hurdles I have to come up with.

I should have expected this from you......I in no way was making any effort to offend the LDS religion. I was simply stating that money and touch are issues when working in an environment that is still predominantly LDS. I've been here 10 years and live just fine in this community. No one else was offended by that statement.......why were you? Who are you speaking up for?

I'm relatively new to this forum but I have been reading for years. You could really impart some great information to people about business. But you seem to have a problem when someone is successful even though it's done against all of your principles. Why do you go after people just because they disagree with you? Just because you can talk doesn't make you right. You don't just disagree. You belittle.

I'm old enough not to care about the crap that you throw at me, but you do a disservice to new people who are really looking for some decent information.

Why was I your target this time? Was Breathe too tough on you? (my apologies Breathe for using your name.....nothing but great respect for you)
 


YFChoice - right on. I have agreed with pretty much everything you've posted. I am very grateful that you post on this board because you've given me confidence in how I want to run my business. Ever since I've started asking people what they think about ideas I have about how to do business, inevitably someone will reply in the vein of RelaxandRejuvenate. Like you said, I am sure these people have a lot of valuable information they could pass on but there is always this air of condescension, even annoyance, if something is suggested that is different from how they do business. There is no one way to conduct any business, especially this one. I think that if you have a good head on your shoulders, good massage skills and people skills, and charge a price that is fair for yourself and your clients then business should be fine. As cliche as it might sound, I got into this business to help people and I don't ever want to lose sight of that.

In asking my questions on various boards I have been surprised when people get annoyed with my questions or even offended! They are just questions! I think it says much more about the person who answers questions that way then about the questions themselves.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks again for your posts YFChoice, they are valuable to me.
 


YFChoice said:
I should have expected this from you......I in no way was making any effort to offend the LDS religion. I was simply stating that money and touch are issues when working in an environment that is still predominantly LDS. I've been here 10 years and live just fine in this community. No one else was offended by that statement.......why were you? Who are you speaking up for?

Having married into the Jewish traditions, you will have to forgive me if my antennae go up when I hear "money issues" being associated with a particular religious group. Are the LDS lacking in money (not my experience) or are they loathe to spend it? But if your chair clients pay for this for their employees and are not concerned about the cost of taking care of their employees, where are these "money issues?"
In the future, I will do the unexpected and allow such comments to go unchallenged.



YFChoice said:
But you seem to have a problem when someone is successful even though it's done against all of your principles. Why do you go after people just because they disagree with you? Just because you can talk doesn't make you right. You don't just disagree. You belittle.)

I don't disagree with success. You are obviously successful doing things as you see fit. And I hardly "went after" you. What I did, was point out some issues for Kiri to consider, that may be contrary to your blanket statements such as businesses not worrying about the cost (go back and read your post, "They're not concerned about the cost........they don't want their employees to have to pay."). They may work for you, but just as my ideas are not for you, yours may not be for her, or others who look for guidance.

YFChoice said:
I'm old enough not to care about the crap that you throw at me, but you do a disservice to new people who are really looking for some decent information.

Sorry if you feel disagreeing with you is crap thrown in your direction. Maybe you should take a look at the thickness of your own skin before suggesting I lack the muster to put up with Breathe.

Are we reading the same forum?

Kiri said:
Hmm, this is giving me a lot more to think about.

I get what you're saying about rewarding the employer for paying. Everything you said makes a lot of sense.

I really appreciate your replies, you've given me quite a bit to think about!Thank you

Clearly a disservice is being inflicted on the OP.
 
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    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMILY, KIKI & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body.
  32. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,young very beautiful new girl Cici, back walk ,body slide,amazing the end,give you warm and comfortable time must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  33. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LISA, LUNA, SUSAN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LISA is a cute & petite Thai/Chinese mixed beauty with decent massage skills and liberal services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SUSAN is small, slim
  34. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Mia 25โ€™s with curve body and pretty Ella, fun Vicky with curve body 25โ€™s and flirty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  35. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธJessica๐ŸŒธAlettaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธMonika๐ŸŒธDanna Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  38. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite girl Sasa friendly Vietnamese girl Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  39. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: ๐ŸŒนSuperstar Kelly and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  40. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILLโ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : Lovely Linda, Sexy Girl Lucy, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญMia๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  41. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Wednesday April 30, 2025, our attendants will be Cici ๐Ÿค—, Sandy ๐Ÿ˜, Carla โค, Yoyo ๐Ÿ‘ and Opal ๐Ÿคฉ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  42. DPNY2:
    Hollywood Spa Last Day Tomorrow
  43. wonderspa:
    . ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Tuesday RMT available, Today's special recommendation ๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐Ÿ˜ป ๐ŸŽlong hair Lucy Q smile,very good strong to relax oil... wonderspa ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  44. Golden Flower Spa:
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  47. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New โ—๏ธ New girl Anna dainty and cute! Sexy body Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of p
  48. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธAmber Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  49. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Cici works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  50. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธKimCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
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