Prolapsed Disc L4 / L5 11 months on

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Hi to everyone,

The reason why have joined is the fact that I'm now getting desperate. My life has been awful for the last 11 months ans shows no sign of getting any better.

End of July last year I finished a 7 days on working week ( Security Officer ) and started to have a strange pain down my right leg. I went to the doctors and was prescribed something and told to take paracetamol.

Over the next few weeks as my pain and movement got worse (still only my right leg) I went to see a specialist who said I had all the signs of a prolapsed invertebral disc but had no weakness in the right leg ( a good sign I was told). I also had no numbness or pins and needles. I had an epidural a couple of weeks later which I feel did nothing. My drugs at this point were Ibuprofen 400mg 4 times a day and now co-codamol 4 times a day.

I was put on the NHS waiting list for an MRI and was lucky to have one a month later which showed L4 / L5 bulging but also the disc underneath was not in great condition. However I then saw a neuro surgeon who said they would not operate in my case and referred me to the pain clinic.

I had been off work for 6 months and spent a lot of time resting, and I mean a lot. I returned to work and had physio once a week and my duties were office bound as I couldn't bend to search people.

The ibuprofen was recently started to make my tummy a bit rough as I had been on it for 10 months. I started taking pregablin 75mg a day and amitriptyline 10mg at night. I have since had my pregabalin increased to 300mg a day (i'm a week into this) but no ibuprofen which has meant some of my leg pain has got worse.

The question is what do I do next?

I'm so low, I still struggle to put socks on or trousers, I limp, I'm in pain for 95% of the time, my body is wonky and I'm just not getting better. I've stopped physio, dont really think it did much, but I have some core exercises which I try to do when I'm not drousy which is rarely.

Next month will be a year of this and if I took all the drugs away I think I'd be the same as I was a year ago. Who can help me?

Regards
 
If you can I would book privately, you will never be out of pain otherwise you can cause more damage if you keep on taking the pills, as you feel better in yourself but just mask the problem, If you are in some kind of health insurance or now you can ask your doctor to send you to a private consultant under the NHS this will also cover your MRI scans and you can choose which hospital you go to. You have my sympathy its hard work getting doctors to understand how much it hurts and stops you doing normal everyday things.
 
Thanks Keels. I actually think my original doctor ( now retired ) was very helpful getting an MRI, the neurosurgeon, the pain clinic etc.

The thing is who can fix me? Is it a chiropractor or an osteopath? Or will it be surgery which everything I read can be awful and that the pain returns etc.

Does anyone think I've actually got better or am I just masking it.

I would just love to put my socks on in the morning with no pain, get in the car with no pain, even just run to somewhere or pick up someone for a hug!
 
Not sure if Pregabalin works yet. When I 1st went on a small dosage I thought it did have an effect on the pain. Its a weird thing as if your clever enough you can feel what its doing which I think makes the pain return, so if your not that bright I think it works better.

On 300mg I will find out over the next week or so as it would have been in my system for a while, but not holding out too many chances.

I've had 2 steroid injections and they both did nothing. I'm going to have to push to see the neurosurgeon again.

Even though I have special way of getting in the car a 20 minute drive to work I'm in constant pain (8/10) and then getting out is a nightmare.

Just want it gone!
 
I went to the pain clinic and instead of the tablets i had 6 surface steroid injections and ive been loads better again, just intime for my holiday in three weeks. Did they do you injections uunder X-Ray? I have this type every 12 months and they put it in in 6 different places. The consultant the other day said he normally gives people a top up in between the big injections as it tends to help if the steroids do you some good. They dont always work on everyone though, which is a shame. The type of car and how you sit in it can also make a difference, i changed my car twice before i got one that i was really comfortable in. I can drive for two hours straight and not be aching at the end of it. Passats are quite comfy to sit in.
 
the best thing I can advise is to move heaven and earth to get the ยฃ200 for a consultation with Mr Martin Knight at the Spinal Foundation - this man is nothing short of a genius, I can't praise him highly enough !! Good luck and much love
 
I have been suffering for over a year now with the same problem i spent 18 days in hospital being preped twice for surgery only to be let down.
Then i was given a multitude of different drugs to help me cope with every day life.
I now take paracetamol codien 4 times a day along with morphine sulphate twice a day and gabapentin diazepam diclofenic then there is senna and lactrlose to help with the constipation.
To be honest none of these are helping me a total of 40 tablets a day????
I am now walking with the aid of crutches i have a toilet frame to help me off and on and a shower board to let me sit in the shower and a perching stool to sit at the bowl and shave.
But probably the same as you all being told there is nothing they can do disregaurding the constant pain discomfort and total life change that i have had to go through.
I am fed up of being told to rest rest rest but will that pay my bills NO i dont think so??
When will they listen to the individual and not just go by the book and medical views everyones pain levels are different. As i have read HELP IS THERE ANYONE IN THE MEDICAL WORLD WHO WILL HELP THE SUFFERERS OF THIS CONDITION???????
 
Hi there, I can indentify with all you have said and sympathsise I went through the same for two years I am now 12 days post op and feel great I had an L4 L5 dicectomy on the 20th Oct and feel like a new person I am happy to tell you my story and am sure there is an op to fix your back.
 
What levels did you have your injections at Dragerboy?, if the 2 steroid injections did not work, the reason is 'probably' because they were placed in the wrong level of the spine or the nerve root. The first 2/3 injections are 'usually' very effective, if placed in the right location.

I was mis-diagnosed for 3 years when my Orthopaedic Surgeon targeted
my L 2/3 & L3/4 discs impingements as being the problem areas, and gave me 2 injections at that level. They both failed completely, because my symptoms were acctually coming from a bone impingement at my L4/5 & L5/S1 levels.

I diagnosed this fact for my self, and was then given 2 further nerve root injections at the L4/5 level, this completely removed my pains for 6 weeks and gave me good improvement for over a further 5 weeks period.

Ask your Surgeon for a copy of the report and scan, and see if other listed areas are 'in fact' the 'true' cause of your problems and perhaps match your symptoms more closely.

Best wishes


SPINELF
 
It might be an idea to try Bio energy healing guys... it works on the energy fields around the body, by clearing the chakras. It works on the physical, mental and emotional and i would recommend it.
 
My first back problem was 16 yrs ago, when I had a prolapse of L5/S1. I ended up having the disc shaved, that was great for 8 years when the disc eventually collapsed. I suffered with severe sciatica and groin pain for 10 months, until one day woke up with my groin numb, spooky, I was in surgery that afternoon, where they done a full discectomy and a lateral fusion with bone taken from my pelvis. Things were great from then on, till 3 months ago, when I lifted a gaqrden planter and woke the next night with sciatica again and pain in my hips. After seeing some very uninterested GP's I eventually got to see a spinal surgeon at Stoke Mandeville hospital. I had by this time had an X-Ray and MRI scan. The scan showed a badly prolapsed disc L4/L5, with the associated Facit joint also showing some damage. I am currently on Co-Codamol, was on diclafenic, but did my stomach in, despite taking loads of milk and various indegestion remedies. I was on Amytriptaline, but found it "mood changing". I have a friend who is a physio, so get the treatment for nothing, but doesnt really help. I am awaiting a nerve block injection at the moment.Have been told that it could take 18 weeks to get it. Personally, I would agree to another op to either shave the disc or remove the disc completely. Luckilly, my work have been very good about it, but it is so debilitating. I would not recommend people taking drugs, as to be honest, all it does is mask the symptoms.
 
I am so saddened, but not supprised, to see that you have had multiple level problems and repeat operations. To be facing another spinal procedure in the future must be devastating for you, and I feel gutted that you have joined a long list of forum members who are expected to trust in Surgeons, after they have given you 'only limited' freedom from you long term suffering.

Best wishes

SPINELF
 
Just wanted to sympathise with you. If anyone is taking a diclofenac long term they need to also take a stomach protecting drug like Omeprazole along with it. This ensures that no long term damage is done to the gut .
 
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    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  34. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  43. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  44. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
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