Prolapsed disc, which therapy?

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I'm wanting some advice and suggestions please. I have two prolapsed/herniated/whatevertheycallitthisweek discs, one of which presses on the sciatic nerve. I've already had one caudal epidural injection, which really helped for 6 months, hardly took a painkiller for the first 4-5 months! That's now worn off, and I'm now in pain again. The pain has been excruciating at times this last week, probably because I've had a cough now for several weeks.

Anyway, my question is, not so much which therapy is best, but more on how they would work on that sort of problem. Physiotherapy so far just seems to be exercises. Chiropractic I kind of understand, but believe it's more to do with pain relief rather than actual "fixing it though I could be wrong there!", I don't really know what an osteopath would do for this condition at all.

Is someone able to explain one or more of the different therapies out there, how they would help, how they would work and what they'd actually do?

I'm suspecting that eventually I might need surgery, but would like to avoid that if possible.

Susan
 
is thisthe result of an accident or gradual onset, there is so much you can do yourself by mobilising the spine, PM me for more advice or post here with general background info
regards
BGFL
ps I had client last night with 2 prolapsed discs and sciatica since june 2011, she couldnt walk in but walked out and it was mainly postural problems adapting the neutral spine which can be sorted easier than if an accident caused the problems
and she is now not looking at surgery which had been recommended by ......her surgeon
 
Thanks for the reply BGFL!

A bit of history. For many years, I had on and off problems with my back. The occasional trapped nerve, and muscle spasms from time to time. Occasionally my back would go out of line, I'd stand kind of bent, and one hand came lower than the other! It would then be ok again.

Anyway, in late 2005, officially obese, I went on a calorie controlled diet. Lost average of 1ยฝlbs a week, so not fast or anything, and over a year lost 6 stone. By this time I'd taken up running, used the gym regularly (working on strength, including abdominal strength) cycled quite a bit too. In 2008 I ran London Marathon in just under 4ยฝ hours, so was reasonably fit. During this period I had very little problems with my back. Just occasionally I'd get muscle spasms, but usually if I'd done something I could put my finger on, like lifting wrong.

Now, in November 2009, I was having just a few problems with my back, it went out of line again, and I went to the GP, he gave me diazepam. A few days later a child at the school where I worked (special needs) "hung" on my neck in fun, for a few seconds taking his feet off the floor. I felt something in my back at the time. It took a couple of days before the problem showed itself. I couldn't put my sock on or shoe to go to work!

Turned out in time that I had two herniated discs. Problem is around L4/5 and also L5/S1 Doctors have said it was probably a problem waiting to happen, due to history of back going out of line.

Anyway, that's the main history! Have been told that if I do manage to take up running again (at the moment not a chance, and suprise suprise, I've put weight back on, not quite to where I was before, but I'm no longer fit!) that marathon running is out.


Susan
 
It sounds like you are a chiropractor? I think anyone with a disc problem has to be careful as it has been shown, and reported in threds here, that some chiros can do more harm than good and irritate an already prolapsed disc into herniation.

Now, I am not anti chiro,s I have my own that has seen me on many times hobble in and then walk out, but also I have found that the relief can be shortlived as the manipulation just allows the swelling to reduce and it then builds back up as the problem is not solved. However, once he had seern my mri he refused to treat me with any manipulation techniques and only would do massage.

I really do recommend this book, I found the title on HP lol and it has helped me understand my back and the docs!

Sarah Key's, Back Sufferer's Bible
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sarah-Keys-Back-Sufferers-Bible/dp/0091814944/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327491606&sr=1-1




Time is the best healer but few of us give our bodies a chance these days
 
Sorry but your supposition is wrong, I am a rehab specialist, specialising in sporting injuries and particular interest with postural issues which in turn affect the sporting performance. I reitterate there is much WE can do that doesnt involve manipulations, education is the key

regards
BGFL
 
Hi Susan,

In March 2010 (I was 26yrs)I started my worst period of back pain or should I say leg pain, I was in agony no painkillers touched me and I was struggling to walk or sit. I spent a small fortune on oestopath appointments that I really dont know if they did anything. I was referred to a specialist in May who did an MRI and showed my prolapsed disk and pinched nerve L4/L5 (I had numb toes) I had an epidural about 3 days later as i was barely functioning . I was told it helps to reduce inflmation around the disk. The pain eased but never went away. I had never really wanted surgery but after lots of discussion, research and soul searching I went with it (Not something I took lightly). I had been told that the longer you continued to have pain then the nerves get more damaged and then sometimes the surgery isn't as effective as you are left with some pain/tingling in the leg. I had the surgery in June (was a massive descision for me did lots of research and questioning the specialst) As soon as I came round from the op bar the pain in my back from the operation my leg didn't hurt at all and I was so relieved. I made a great recovery and even sat on my horse 6 weeks after surgery, I contiued with pilates and had a very active 2011 competing in horse driving trials and working with children during the week. The last 2 weeks I have had back pain (i sneezed whilst putting on a sock) and since the weekend pain in my right leg and buttock again. The physio has said that it is likely to be a prolapsed disk (the same one I had operated on (l4/l5) we are giving it 6 weeks with physio exercises and pottering about. The doctor said 'keep active' however the physio has said to listen to my leg and lay down when i need a rest. As it is believed to be the same disk and it has already been operated on they say it has a better chance of slipping back in (for want of a better word). The physio exersise are very similar to the pilates I have previously done. The cocktail of drugs are at least dulling the pain a little. Drinking lots of water i'm told helps to up the fluid intake. Listen to your body was nice to hear from the physio as the doctor was only half listening when i tried to talk about previous painkillers i'd tried and had reactions to and the pain. I think different things work for different people, I had acupuncture and other treatments with the oestopath but this time I am trying physio. It is so very depressing to back in this situation. Thankfully there is so much on the internet and so great books you can read to help.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  43. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  44. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
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