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[kiwee@y7mail.com]

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looks like a bunch of Scandanavians
you ever notice they don't smile in pictures??? 5555

 

[Scooby69]

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for what it's worth - i have a lot of sympathy for Raw on this - i think we as punters need to remember that if you don't like the price, don't pay it. i wouldn't at home and i won't abroad.

 

[Abayomi]

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Yeah, and the photos I supposedly took last week were actually taken from a telescope on a satellite, re-directed with a mirror of course to give the correct point of view. You can see them at http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/general/41038-phuket-governor-meets-police-bangla-road.html if you're interested.

Back to your story, if the bar in question is charging the high-price much of the time because of the touts, what's to prevent them from charging the same (higher) price when someone gets there without a tout in tow, and just keep the "free" extra money for themselves?

If suggesting people ask the prices first before ordering implies I'm a "troll", then what name do you give to those who refuse to ask first, and simply get stuck with the higher price? By then, if you've already had your drink, it's too late to do anything about it. The definition of a "troll" is someone who tries to disrupt a conversation. If suggesting a common-sense alternative makes one a "troll", then being a troll should be considered a compliment.

I guess you've answered my question though, as you just assumed that the price would be reasonable, since you weren't aware of any touts, which I guess is a perfectly reasonable assumption.

 

[spotlite28]

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5555555 you got to be kidding

 

[Latching On]

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If you have not gotten around to reading the other post I will sum it up for you. Give some and get some. The owner gives a little and then he gets a little. That way all are happy, or at least the touts, and life can continue. It sounds like you found the good bar, so I would recommend you stay there and leave the rip-offs for the others.

Oh, and thanks for the warning. Spicy Club is officially off the list of clubs I would not have gone to anyways.

Now... who wants to go trollin'

 

[webkinzlover525]

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Fair dues on replying on the tout issue.

As for pic ... try again just after they get their salery! 5555

This is ID/Driving License pose.

 

[lopku]

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o no the budgie growing fur :beurk:

 

[buzymom72]

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Thanks for replies guys!
As I said no big deal just a few 100 baht out the window, I won't mind pay for something extra, just I didn't see anything special at all in this bar!
Went to "Body Nude Club" as well to check it out, and there you payed your 400 baht at a ticket-window, before entering which is more fair!
And they did have some sexy looking ladies doing some tantalizing shows!:^^:

 

[Beckey]

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You need to read the forum a bit more. Could have saved yourself paying 400 to go into *** too.

 

[Sunny]

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Raw, can I ask YOU a very simple question? What would happen if you were to post a price list for your drinks out in the open, where anyone could see it? If a beer is 130 baht, just print it there.

It might get the touts annoyed at you, but I can't see where any business in Thailand or elsewhere can't post a price list. Of course, it should include a good long list of all the types of drinks you can serve. If you want, make it fancy like similar signs at McDonalds or Burger King, maybe with pictures.

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You're not going to need to win any "war" with the touts - just as with burglar alarms and so on, you can't really "stop" a thief, but you can make your place less appealing for others to go after.

Anyone sits down at your bar, hand them a copy of the menu, and ask what they want......

 

[Powderpuff]

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IMHO no can do, having been to spicy a few times, i notice most of the business comes from the touts. unless Raw is willing to lose spicy's revenue in the war against touts, that's not a wise move...

 

[B Vijay Chandran]

The three times I went to gogos this February, I did like Thaicam say. I told the tout outside that I didn’t want to pay 400 baht for a beer, walked in and to the bar, asked for the price, the girl said 125 or something, I got my beer and I paid. One time the tout followed me, and I did the same thing. I don’t believe they will start an argument inside (that has to be bad business) when you ignore them, and if they do I rather argue or walk away. That’s not about money, but principle.

I just don’t pay 400 baht for a beer in Thailand. That’s more than I pay in Norway.

 

[Pompal 09.]

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As I said I walked in on my own, but when I had seated this guy came up and took my order. he probably had entered with a farang couple sitting next to me.
And since I hadn't been to Spicy before, I was fooled to believe he was one of the staff.
I agree it was naive of me not to ask about the drinks prices first, as I thought I was free from the touts once inside the bar!
Lots of bars in BKK and Pattaya has touts as well, but they are employed and works for the bars and usually stops at the door.

By the way how do you manage to keep SW and Crazy free of touts?
Both bars has shows as well.
Why not stop the silly pingpong shows after all, and just employ girls pretty enough to pull in the punters on their own? :whistle:
It works for Rockhard!

 

[barco]

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Ohohhh....!
Just read about it on another thread!
So that means I've ''lost'' about 700 baht already and I've still one week to go!
At least I haven't fallen for the tuktuk scams yet, Patong is small enough for walking around!
...just hopes it doesn't rain when I take a barfine back to the room!:sarcastic:

 

[Jovita]

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If as you say, "most of the business comes from the touts", he would lose that business as the touts would then take their customers to a different place. So, his revenue would be less - but a huge part of that revenue seems to go into the tout's pocket, so he's not "losing" that money. The question remains, would he be better or worse off financially if the touts were not involved in his place, and were taking "their" customers elsewhere. I think only Raw can honestly answer that.


I had a long talk with a Thai person who hangs out at the beach during the day, renting out the "beach blanket" things for 20 baht. He makes hardly anything during the day. Over a beer, he told me that at night, he has a job bringing people into one of these places, so I guess we'd call him a tout. In his words, for every customer he brings in, he gets 500 baht. That sounded high to me, but he had no reason to lie. He also sometimes walks around with a sign that says "buy one drink, get the next one free". I saw him with the sign later that night.

(I asked him where the money goes - he said he sends almost all of it home to his parents. He's in his mid 20's, but apparently very involved in supporting those at home.)

 

[Pompal 09.]

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thanks for the good words bro, have fun in patong...:wai: :wai:

 

[Sheena]

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If I remember correctly it is not 'just' a case of Raw losing money...........he has received threats and intimidation to his family which makes it difficult for him to take this on by himself.

Agree with Nels..............best that all that are aware of touts boycott their go-go's eventually forcing them to go make a living elsewhere.

That will hurt some of Raw's bars in the short-term but will probably benefit him in the long run once he has had a chance to clean-up and re-structure without fearing for his safety.

But again............it's easy to talk

 

[momma merri]

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I don't think it will ever be possible to get everyone that comes to Patong aware of the touts problem, because a very high perceneforum.xxxe of visitors to Patong are just curious unaware two-week-tourists and not seasoned mongers, a very little percent of Phuket visitors are members of this board, and hence would have no idea what the real prices are because they have never entered these kind of establishments before and probably thinks that 400 baht for a soft drink is a "normal" price!
Only way to do it is either as BNC does, charge an official entrance fee and keep the touts outside or stop the shows and hence the main reason for touting a place!
This way the bar will keep the money, and people not interesting in pingpong shows, will know what bars to go to!

 

[Ekklesia]

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last nite i walked into a go go down sea dragon,(cant remember name) same side as octopus bar,
walked straight in without tout sat & down, 2 older girls came up with menu, 200 baht for a soft drink, i said not paying that, got up & walked out, (there no one inside anyway & just 2 older bg's leaning against the poles,) but on way out they said " ok 150B" "ok 120B" . i left anyway.

 

[Chula Lula]

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The touts are connected to the ping-pong shows and are generally all pretty sleezy,let's face it.

If you want to see one for the novelty factor once in your life,fair enough but then shouldn't be surprised when it is far more expensive as you are actually paying for the show and all the related sleeze around it including touts etc etc.

But if there wasn't a demand for these types of shows they would die a natural death.

Those who want to see them should expect to pay more as you are seeing more of a 'variety' show with pee-shooting balloons(if you can call it that)various rodents and budgies tricks,smoking cigarettes out of unusual orifices,............weird requests for snakes etc etc.

I think a lot of first-time travellers go in out of curiosity and then don't like to pay over the odds when they see what a freak show it is.

Too late by then and part of the learning curve but if people don't go back the whole thing won't be commercially viable anymore.

But there seems to be a genuine market of people who really like these shows.Fair enough.........be prepared to pay for them