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Sorry, this is a stream of consciousness, I just needed to express myself. Clarence Thomas was wined and dined by a billionaire, given gifts whose total value is many times his salary and has consistently acted in the interests of the ownership class. His sugar daddy claims business was never discussed, and that could actually be true. He did not have to ask for anything, Clarence knew that the gifts and hanging out with the super rich would stop if he did not do what he needed to do to keep the good times going. Overt corruption is much easier to identify and stop. Subtle corruption works extremely well, especially when there are huge imbalances in power. This is also true in regular life. Often a person or organization with a little bit of power will promote and reward people who do things that are not asked of them, but who figure out and do what is desired of them. Or think about a rich person who dates a poor person - he or she is much more likely to compromise themselves and do what they need to stay in the orbit of the person with the power. When the powerful do not give orders or offer explicit quid pro quos, they keep their hands clean, and any consequences are only suffered by the useful idiots that they seduce.
 
I agree, it has been the way of the world wrong, right or conditional since the beginning of human history. The same psychological needs, wants and differences in peoples ability to achieve dominance is what created religions, ruled empires and kept despots and villains in power.
 
I agree, it has been the way of the world wrong, right or conditional since the beginning of human history. The same psychological needs, wants and differences in peoples ability to achieve dominance is what created religions, ruled empires and kept despots and villains in power.
Great reply and sadly fatalistic - "And the beat goes on..."
 
What we call corruption is usually "using power to gain more power". That's the law of life -- a predator does the same thing, except overtly. Suppression of individual will to power in favour of nation building is possible only through either strict moral standards, as was the case in many successful ancient societies, or top-down authoritarianism. Raising our moral standards today is out of question. And anyone who wants to clean up the mess is labelled a "fascist". We're going down the drain, just enjoy the free fall.
 
What we call corruption is usually "using power to gain more power". That's the law of life -- a predator does the same thing, except overtly. Suppression of individual will to power in favour of nation building is possible only through either strict moral standards, as was the case in many successful ancient societies, or top-down authoritarianism. Raising our moral standards today is out of question. And anyone who wants to clean up the mess is labelled a "fascist". We're going down the drain, just enjoy the free fall.
So as a society we have to decide what is an acceptable level of corruption? That is cynical, but likely true. To quote Obama โ€œDonโ€™t let the perfect be the enemy of the goodโ€.
 
So as a society we have to decide what is an acceptable level of corruption? That is cynical, but likely true. To quote Obama โ€œDonโ€™t let the perfect be the enemy of the goodโ€.
Who decides what is acceptable? My point is "corruption" is the natural order of life in well-off societies unless a top-down force channels the individual's will to power to benefit the state. That force can be a moral standard set by religion (as in ancient India) or nationalism (as in ancient Sparta and Rome) or authoritarian fear (as with Mongols)
 
Who decides what is acceptable? My point is "corruption" is the natural order of life in well-off societies unless a top-down force channels the individual's will to power to benefit the state. That force can be a moral standard set by religion (as in ancient India) or nationalism (as in ancient Sparta and Rome) or authoritarian fear (as with Mongols)
Well isn't that what democracy, for all its' flaws, is all about?
 
Who decides what is acceptable? My point is "corruption" is the natural order of life in well-off societies unless a top-down force channels the individual's will to power to benefit the state. That force can be a moral standard set by religion (as in ancient India) or nationalism (as in ancient Sparta and Rome) or authoritarian fear (as with Mongols)
Who decides what is acceptable is in the courts, judges, lawyers and others skill set etc...
look at todays ruling against fox!
and others of recent value!
 
The Fox debacle was a con by the media and they got caught, the entire US political scene is corruption exemplified. Greed and power are the motivator.
At least the clouded democratic process offers some hope for the countries relatively blessed .
Authoritarian dictatorships i.e. Russia, North Korea, China and military coups i.e. Myanmar and now Sudan joins that group of power hungry despots that are worse than the corrupt leadership they replaced. There have been countless over recent decades from Cambodia to Haiti and half of the African continent countries.
 
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This excellent thoughtfil post is exactly where it needs to be and read by intelligent people with a balanced world view.

Unfortunately, I wonder how much time it will take for the shitposters to derail it and reduce it into a pissing match.
 
Who decides what is acceptable is in the courts, judges, lawyers and others skill set etc...
look at todays ruling against fox!
and others of recent value!
Courts, judges, lawyers are all pawns. Pay attention to who plays these pawns. If you still look at the world in terms of good and evil, I have nothing more to say. But if you go beyond good and evil, then you'll see it's a power struggle through and through, "liberal democracy" and "equal rights" included.
 
Courts, judges, lawyers are all pawns. Pay attention to who plays these pawns. If you still look at the world in terms of good and evil, I have nothing more to say. But if you go beyond good and evil, then you'll see it's a power struggle through and through, "liberal democracy" and "equal rights" included.
You are a smart guy but you are way too cynical for a 34 year old. The only reason that society works at all is that most people have some empathy and a sense of responsibility. Most people would not steal, rape or murder if they could get away with it. To be sure there is some fraction, say 1%, who would - the stupid ones end up in jail, and the smart ones navigate their way to the top of the pecking order. It is not good enough to just accept that this is the way of the world. There is a famous quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.โ€. Apparently this is based on a quote by the philosopher John Stuart Mill - "Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.โ€ There will always be predators, and the rest of us need to keep them in check. And when it comes to the more subtle forms of corruption we need to keep ourselves in check.
 
Subtle? To the general population it may appear subtle because the general public is clueless as ever but to the perceptive they will see in your face corruption everywhere at the highest level. You may think you live in a so-called democracy but it's in reality a kleptocracy.
 
Subtle? To the general population it may appear subtle because the general public is clueless as ever but to the perceptive they will see in your face corruption everywhere at the highest level. You may think you live in a so-called democracy but it's in reality a kleptocracy.
So there is no hope, give up and do nothing, people suck, you are either predator or prey so get yours and fuck the rest?
 
You are a smart guy but you are way too cynical for a 34 year old. The only reason that society works at all is that most people have some empathy and a sense of responsibility. Most people would not steal, rape or murder if they could get away with it. To be sure there is some fraction, say 1%, who would - the stupid ones end up in jail, and the smart ones navigate their way to the top of the pecking order. It is not good enough to just accept that this is the way of the world. There is a famous quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.โ€. Apparently this is based on a quote by the philosopher John Stuart Mill - "Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.โ€ There will always be predators, and the rest of us need to keep them in check. And when it comes to the more subtle forms of corruption we need to keep ourselves in check.
Not cynical lol. And I don't mean power in a negative sense, but in a Nietzschean sense. Life is will to power -- "This world is the will to powerโ€”and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to powerโ€”and nothing besides!" So what is termed "good" in a democratic society is the will to power of the masses. Therefore, an ideal democracy is one where the democratic institutions are subordinate to the will to power of the masses. And individual will to power is kept in check only through pressures of conformity and numbers (which take the form of "selfless morals"). Eventually as times get easier, such morals decline and individual will surfaces across classes. Then the only way to clamp down on these individual wills is top-down force.
 
As long as there are people with power advantages, people with more money than other people, unintentional indirect corruption will happen. It is just how it goes....
 
This retard @UsefulIdiot will literally start a new thread after every single shower thought he has.

I'm about to start doing the same shit.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Michelle & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  35. Lilyspa1:
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  36. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower body scrub Sea Salt Bath๐Ÿ‘every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Nice girl Mia โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 36 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, back walking has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will b
  38. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair very young beautiful Lily ,friendly smile,,slim body back. Walk,hot stone,cupping ,more experience โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ,must try
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude
  40. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, PAOLA, ASHA, ANGELINA, SONIA, SALMA, MEGAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
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  42. HollywoodSpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: CINDY, JENNY & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž CINDY is a slim & pretty lady with long dark hair and a pleasing personality. JENNY is slim, attractive, with a tight frame and service with a smile. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one.
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  44. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  46. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: ASHLEY is a beautiful slim Korean student, snow white skin, 5'2, 100 Lbs, natural C Cup, pink nipples, baby face & voice, can accomodate bbbj cim cof rim dfk, excellent services. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  47. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  48. Moneylee:
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  49. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  50. Funlooker:
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