trigger point question



In general, it isn't prudent to advertise that we are offering something we have never been formally trained and certified in. If someone were to be injured during a session with you and have interest in suing, they would have a great case against you, being that you never were certified in that modality.
 


it isn't prudent to advertise that we are offering something we have never been formally trained and certified in.
It seems everybody and their dog offers "certification" for something. You can be "certified" in fibromyalgia by taking a two hour home study course. There currently is no regulation, at least in the US, on what substantiates certification. There are organizations who are trying to change that and require some type of uniform certification standards. In the meantime, if you are properly licensed and insured to practice massage therapy, and you feel you have been properly trained to practice certain techniques that fall within your scope of practice, such as trigger point therapy, I don't see how that would be a problem. If that were the case, then there are many national trainers who would be in a heap of trouble because they haven't been "certified".

I listened to a speech once by Randolph Stone who joked about how he was never certified in Polarity. (He was the developer of Polarity Therapy)
 


I do see where you are coming from, Samantha but you'll note that I did specify 'formally trained in'.

In California, the schools I have gone to it has always been stressed that it is illegal to advertise services that you were not properly trained in and don't currently hold a certification for.

That's all I know :)
 


Samantha said:
you feel you have been properly trained to practice certain techniques

I think this is the key. Have you been properly trained? For example, I have been taught several postitional release techniques by a co-worker who is certified. I understand the underlying theories behind the work and feel competent in the techniques she taught me. However, I would never advertise that I do postional release. I use these techniques on my clients and if they ask what I'm doing I say "positional release" but I wouldn't specifically promote myself as someone who does that particular modality.

If you're performing neuromuscular, then I'm assuming you've been taught how to do it. Perhaps this was taught to you in school but they didn't "certify" (meaning give you a piece of paper) you in it. In that case you could still prove that you're compentent and have received proper instruction by pointing to the schools curriculum.

Hope this helps,
Angie
 


I ttok the entire continuing ed course for NMT at my old school.
The last day and the final exam, I was becomming a GRANDMA....missed it and never returned.
Do I know NMT, yes, Do I use it, all the time.
Yes, it's written on any ads I write.

Robyn

PS
Never went the next "term" to " make up" the work/exam.
I was working fulltime and doing massage AND loving a nerw granddaughter AND helping mhy mother after a total knee replacement...nope, not a priority for me.
Now, if it was for licensure, then I would have to sit for the exam again....but it's not, so I didn't.
 


nybor7 said:
I ttok the entire continuing ed course for NMT at my old school.

You may not have the piece of paper that says you're "certified" but you did take the training. If necessary you can prove that you were trained. That's the important part.

Angie
 


In California, the schools I have gone to it has always been stressed that it is illegal to advertise services that you were not properly trained in and don't currently hold a certification for

IntuitiveHealers, I applaud your cautious view. If we were to be mistaken, to err on the side of caution is the better place to be. If I were looking to hire a therapist, I'd hire you before I'd hire someone who thinks they know everything.

Actually, I think your instructors were mistaken about the "certification" issue for your state, especially with California having fewer regulations regarding the practice of massage therapy than most states. I'd be very interested in seeing any such regulation in California that doesn't permit advertising services provided by a massage therapist if the MT doesn't have a piece of paper saying that they are "certified" in that particular technique, as long as they are properly licensed, are operating within their scope of practice as defined by the governing agency where they live, and can demonstrate, if required, that they do know what they are advertising to know.

Case in point: Some of the many continuing education courses I have taken are Upledger's CranioSacral seminars. After taking CranioSacral level 1 (24 CE hours), they provided us with a sample press release to send to the newspapers. Our instructor discussed various marketing techniques. So, across the US, therapists are permitted after a level one workshop, to begin to advertise their CST services. However, you cannot advertise you are certified. I am working towards Upledger certification in CST. According to my estimates, by the time I achieve advanced certification (Diplomate Certification), I will have logged approximately 1000 hours between in-class training, practice, study groups, essay exams, writtin exams and pratical exams.

I can advertise that I do CranioSacral work. I just can't advertise that I'm certified, until I actually am certified. Of course, there are some people who offer a weekend cranial sacral certification course (or worse yet, a homestudy course); which emphasizes why having a certificate may or may not mean a thing. There is no currently no acceptable standard in our country for what constitutes adequate levels of certification.

Also, I've been involved in the accreditation process and being affiliated with administrators of massage schools across the country. Believe me, there are many teachers that have no certification in some of the modalities they teach. The accredication agencies don't necessarily require that teachers have certifications in the modalities they teach. It helps to have certification. But they also ask what other evidence of training a teacher may have, which includes self-study (they do value the study and learning you do on your own). Most of all, they want to know if teachers can demonstrate their knowledge of the subject matter (if required).
 


You may not have the piece of paper that says you're "certified" but you did take the training. If necessary you can prove that you were trained. That's the important part.

I second that, Moogie.

-Samantha
 


The school issue is one bug grey area, IMO. I have actually been offered jobs at schols where they asked me to teach modalities I was not trained (or certified) in and I refused. Now, if they had asked me to do something I was not 'certified' in but had professional training and experience, that would have been different.

I have been explicitly told at 4 different massage schools, that if it's not on your transcript (showing you have been trained and/or 'certified' in that modality and could therefore safely perform it) you can't legally advertise it because if a client were to be injured it would be considered an 'experimental' technique or outside your training and scope of practice.

I'm not caught up in that little piece of paper myself...I am very aware of how easy it is to be 'certified' in any number of things. Heck, I could print up a lovely 'certification' for anyone I wanted to and say that they were now 'certified' in anything I chose to name!

I relate to the Upledger issue...I have recieved certificates in Matrix Energetics but am not up to the 'certified' level so can I call myself a Matrix Energetics practitioner? I am...but can I say I am in advertisements?

I do think that to advertise (in essence, represent themselves as an ambassador for that modality or technique) a person should have some formal, professional training and a great deal of experience and tht is the most important thing.

I guess when it comes down to it, most of us agree on the basics- don't advertise or offer services you aren't able to safely and professionally perform, based on training, experience and ability.
 


Heck, I could print up a lovely 'certification' for anyone I wanted to and say that they were now 'certified' in anything I chose to name!

How right you are, IntuitiveHealers. If someone claimed to be certified in a particular modality, I would want to know either who certified them and what the qualifications were to become certified. Makes a huge difference.

I relate to the Upledger issue...I have recieved certificates in Matrix Energetics but am not up to the 'certified' level so can I call myself a Matrix Energetics practitioner? I am...but can I say I am in advertisements?

I agree with you here, too. I have received a lot of training in CranioSacral Therapy, Lymph Drainage, Sports massage, Shiatsu, etc. I can advertise that I offer those services, and I do. At the end of each seminar, the instructor provided us with marketing suggestions. I do not, however, call myself a CranioSacral Practitioner. I suppose I could. But that might also imply that I am certified. Which I am not, yet, even after several hundred hours of training, practice, etc.


I guess when it comes down to it, most of us agree on the basics- don't advertise or offer services you aren't able to safely and professionally perform, based on training, experience and ability.

Nice way to sum up the answer to the original question posted on this thread. ;)
 
trigger point

wow, seems as though I struck a nerve. I agree with everyone's point. While in school I was too told that I couldnt advertise that I was certified in something unless I took a certification course. So when graduated I was certified in Swedish, DT, and joint movement.. I learned a little about C.S, lymph drainage, NMT, PNF you name it but the certification sentence stcuk in my head..
I want to take a medical massage course, because that is how I prefer to work. So again, I have to spend more money to say I am "Certified" but I do that work now and cant say that I am CERTIFIED... racket if you ask me.
 


OffIce said:
How often to massage therapists get sued in the US?

Not often. But I think the more important issue (and one which other posters have stated in different ways) is not about getting sued, but about the ethics of stating our qualifications, and performing modalities that we are trained in (certification or not).

Yes, you can get "certified" in practically anything with a weekend course or two, but that does not necessarily equate to proficiency.

BTW, IntuitiveHealers, could you print me up a couple of certs- I could stand to add some fuel to my ads. :D
 
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    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Monday June 2, 2025, our attendants will be Ivy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ, Sophie ๐Ÿ˜, Mia ๐Ÿ˜ and Lucy ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  32. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒwe have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,open Sunday,ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax oil message back walking hot stone and nice body slide,๐Ÿ…big big boob sexy face Joey in duty,open maid,very beautiful,amazing massage,happy the end ,really popular girl,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ
  33. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls๏ผŒNina ใ€Cindy ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, New girl Yuki Round buttocks ๐Ÿ˜œpretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise
  34. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  35. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Singapore ๐Ÿ’–Spanish ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  36. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit A8 ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ MONA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ AMY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  37. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06 1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ HELEN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  38. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ LANA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  39. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Singapore ๐Ÿ’–Spanish ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  40. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธHellen๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  42. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธLily Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  43. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Sunday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Angela, Eva, Yoyo, Jenny, Julia, 34D Cici, Julie, Tiffany & Lindaโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  44. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls๏ผŒNina ใ€Cindy ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, New girl Yuki Round buttocks ๐Ÿ˜œpretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise
  45. DareDevil:
    SUNDAY SUPER LINEUP! ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Fun Girl Apple, New Pretty Girl Angela, RMT Grace, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ GRACE AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  46. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  47. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. Alice spa has 2 beauties to choose from today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. JESSICA is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs, curvy
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Jennifer, Sophia & Cindy. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded. Come and give her a try, and youโ€™ll be sure to come back for more. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Amy & Lulu. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! LULU is new. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E) Scarborough, ON M1V 4Y3
  50. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
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