UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante?

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Hello all,

I cound't help but notice the last discussion on Acupuncture Colleges in the UK. I am in the process of deciding which college to attend myself at the moment and came across two interesting looking qualifications.

Oneisa Diploma in Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture (DCHA) which is offered by the AcuMedic Foundation in Camden, London. This Diploma is apparently issued after 2.5 years of study by the Beijing University of Chinese Medicine and Pharmacology! *rather posh me thinks!*
The other is a Diploma in Healthcare Acupuncture by Asante Academy, Middlesex University. Only takes about 8 months to get that one!

Both diplomas are only open for "Health Care Professionals" such as Nurses, GP's, Physiotherapists and such BUT are seen as full blown Acupuncture qualifications!

Just wandering if anyone on here as taken either diploma, how the course was structured, how informative it was...etc. And of course what some of the BSc Acupuncturists think about these courses!

Any input is highly appreciated!
 
You'd have to check to be sure, but I'm fairly certain neither of these qualifications would gain you entry into the British Acupuncture Council (the governing body for acupuncturists in the UK) as neither would meet the minimum standards for education.

The BAcC can be found here. They're a helpful bunch and would be keen to answer your questions!

Acupuncture is currently unregulated in the UK (it's in the process). This means you can award yourself a qualification with whatever fancy name you like, and start practicing tomorrow, if you were so inclined.
If you want to do it, do it properly! That means a college that is accredited with the BAAB (British Acupuncture Accreditation Board), minimum 3 years training, and automatic entry into the BAcC.

Aragorn
 
Hi there

I'm not too sure about these courses. Maybe the acumedic one is ok if you're already a healthcare practitioner. Best to contact the BAcC.

Most doctors/nurses/physios do not practice TCM, but a Western version of acupuncture with none of the chinese medical theory which is why you can study it in a smaller time frame. Basically their method is, stick a needle where it hurts. Which is fine up to a point and can help with pain relief etc, but doesn't get to theroot of the problem and does not treat the individual as a whole.

I believe the BAcC were trying to get thegovernment (when the eventually regulate us!) to make doctors etc drop the title acupuncturist and to replace it with something similar to "therapeutic needling" as they are not using chinese theory to practice. There are governing bodies for that style too:

[link=http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk]www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk[/link]

and i believe there's one for physios too.

If you want a life transforming career in acupunture choose a fully accreditted course as listed in the other thread. If you just wish totreat symptomatically, maybe one of the others is ok.

Best Wishes :-)

Tahora
 
Thanks for the replies! I have heard the course of the British Medical Acupuncture Society ([link=http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/]www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk[/link] ) is aweful! Some Acupuncturists believe everyone with a certificate/degree from this organisation should be banned! [:@]

What puts me off the so called "BAcC acredited schools" is their outragous fees! ยฃ4000-ยฃ5000 per year for 3 years for a part-time course is not something that I as an average person can affors just like that...

But as to the BAcC...how important are they? There are several different Acupuncture organisations in the UK...I could name 3 from the top of my head. Two of those are claiming to be "governmental advisors" for the regulation of Acupuncture in the UK. Again - this is what I have heard and the reason why I'm asking! The membership fee of the BAcC is to my knowledge also quite hight (around ยฃ600 or so annualy).

So...how important is membership with the BAcC in the end???
 
Hi there.

I don't know the ins and outs of the other governing bodies, but the BAcC is very important (and advising government etc)

The fees are so high because although you can study just at weekends they are still full time degree courses - they aren't odd hours scattered through the week like a usual BSc course, it's condensed. They are considered full time by the government also.

You can study for much less by going to Westminster or Salford as these are structured like normal degree courses and the government subsidise the fees like with other university courses. For some bizzare reason most can not get a student loan for the weekend courses even if they are affiliated with a university. It is something to do with them being private colleges. You can however get a career development loan for ยฃ8000, like i mentioned in the other thread.

As bad as it feels (and I feel it!!), the fees are not unresonable and you would pay this as a foriegn student in any of our universities. It just comes down to the fact that the fees are not subsidised for us. It does drive me mad, especially as we walk out of the course with full earning potential unlike many other courses they throw money at. (Rant rant rant....!)

The British Acupuncture Council haveVERY high standards in order for us to maintain credibility in a country where anyone could set up shop and potentially harm someone (did you know that there are laws protecting animals, but not humans?).

Aragorn would know more about what the membership fees go towards as I'm not yet practicing, but I trust that it's worth it.

Just remember that anything is possible as long as you put your mind to it. I earn very little over minimum wage and am getting myself through and all the struggles have been worth it a million times over :-)

Tahora x
 
Cost-wise, I thinks it's very reasonable actually! About half as much as Osteopathic training.
Of course once you're earning steadily from the work, the costs look even less. (I made my full course fees back in the first 4 months of this year in takings).

The BAcC is the only body that governs professional acupuncture in the UK. Are you thinking of the other bodies that are affiliated with western health professionals? Sort of like a bolt-on technique?

The word acupuncture is used a lot to mean very different things. I think it's important to know exactly what it is you are interested in studying. To use acupuncture as a stand alone therapy for the diagnosis and treatment of illness inline with traditional means, without the need to use any other modality, requires a BAAB accreditied course. Simple as that.

All organisations that have a direct interest in acupuncture are part of the talks going on with the government to regulate the profession. This is a matter of some importance. It needs to regulate every acupuncture-based profession, otherwise individual groups could simply say, "Well, that's not what we do!" and carry on practising unregulated.

If you are a nurse, GP, or physio, and want to add acupuncture-like techniques to your skills, then a BAAB accredited course would not be necessary. If you are currently non-medical, and wish to help and support patients competently, effectively, and be "regulation-ready" (for whenever it eventually happens), chosse a BAAB accredited course, or your fingers could end up badly burnt!

HTH
Aragorn
 
Thank you Tahora and Aragon!

Aragon, I didn't know that the income Acupuncturists make is so good! I have heard about quite a few starving Acupuncturists in the UK - mainly outside London!

How long until the regulations you mentioned are coming in? I think this is yet another UK legislation story...some time, some day...

What is the average income of Acupuncturists in the UK anyway these days...if this is notto private...?
 
Hi TCMStudent
The regulation is definitely not an urban legend! It is ongoing as we speak, but progress is slow. Getting everyone to agree on what needs to be involved is, er... well. Hmmm....

Average income from acupuncture? Sorry, no idea. I am in the South East UK and charge ยฃ30 per treatment. I do about 35-40 treatments per week. I suppose it all depends on where you are located, what the demand is like and how well you apply yourself to working. Same as anything really.

So, where did you get to with deciding on a college??

Aragorn
 
Hi Aragorn,

I am thinking about either Uni of Westminster or Middlesex University. Both courses sound fantasitc! But my preference would be Middlesex. Its a 4 year course which teaches Mandarin language, Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine. So at the end of the 4 years you are qualified as Acupuncturist and Chinese Herbalist...

I'll let you know once I have a place! And thanks again for the advice!
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna sexy body beautiful boots 36D deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointme
  33. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  34. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (9PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (11AMโ€“2AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  35. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  36. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  37. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beaut
  38. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls working today, Sophie and Kiki, they are young, pretty and cute and the massage was very professional.
  39. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  40. pickyreviewerr:
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  41. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available open long weekend ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily, amazing touch, really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŒน
  42. Soul Relax Spa:
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  43. Golden Sunshine Spa:
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  44. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mimi & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mimi is a nice slim lady with a big bottom, & great oral skills to take you to paradise. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, LINA & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  46. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 ladies waiting for you. Two Very Hot ladies (Qiqi & Summer) have returned to Alice spa today. Open 10am to 9pm: APPLE (12pm-9pm): from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs, petite with natural C Cups, small waist, pretty baby face, smooth skin, very clean. Shaved tight Pu**y, strong professional massage. Available FS bbbj cim cof rim.
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young cute Taiwanese 25โ€™s slime open mind and sexy flirty Tina 30โ€™s with curly body open mind, young pretty popular Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and sweet GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA, LINDA, LUNA, SHAYLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin
  49. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 15 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, MALIYA, JANVI, MONIKA, BELA, MONICA, MEGAN, JAZMINE, PREETI, PREET ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    TOP NOTCH WELLNESS​
    SUNNY , GABBY , LARISSA , KIKI , MICHELLE AND VANNA AT TOP NOTCH WELLNESS. ALL SUPERSTARS CALL OR TEXT 437-522-9961 TO BOOK
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