Wanna go out and meet some cute boys!

[Mari C]

She is that kind of person that always has to have the last word, so i think she will continue post in this thread anyway... uke:

I think we all hope for to much.. :

 

[alaziz]

Hi Mikey,

Couldn't think of a good joke, yet! Oh,well, don't feel bad. We still love you. :heart: You are a legend in your own time. Just like Bob Dylan, over the hill at 34. But he had a brief comeback. What was the tune? Oh, yeah. "Sick of Love." uke: Must of had you in mind when he penned that one. At least the sick part. I don't think you have the foggiest notion of what love is about! " no:

Judder," that's what you said love is about, IIRC. Tell us about the judder again, Uncle Mikey. We want to hear about the judder. By the way, I've never heard that word before. It isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean? Share your deep wisdom with us once more, please. And don't leave out the part about the ladyboys f*cking you up the ****. That was the funny part. Did you like it that way, Mikey? mg:


JayBee

 

[FYRE & REIGN RETURNS]

My two bits.

First off Welcome to the board eurogirlinthai, I for one am glad that you stopped by, I hope you don't run off or get discouraged easily...Here everyone is entitled to there opinion..it just takes some time getting use to.

My thoughts about what your saying, I came up with a question, mostly I wonder how well thought out this trip is, my personal take from what your saying is you want a more normal scene...well you would have to define normal...sounds like your seeing the norm as it stands for the places your talking about.

Just out of curiosity have you considered going up to khon kaen? Big university crowds await you, places with plenty of thais dressed up in there shirts and ties hanging out having some laughs,Granted its not huge as in bangkok proportions, but I find it to be a friendly place with a more laid back feel to it...laid back is kind of an understatement when you compare it to others... yes places to go out dancing if you want..mai ben rai.

I for one don't care for bangkok at all, even thought I have to spend time there to satisfy family visits.

I would think if your not wanting to be around the "bg scene" then going to phuket might not be the most well thought out plan..for you anyway. So what do you really want to do while your in thailand anyway?

Now don't get me wrong, I think you can have a great time in phuket, but having too many expectations can really ruin a trip, letting go of what your more accustomed to is a step in the right direction for having fun anywhere you go.

You do have my curiosity up a bit, how about a picture of yourself...sometimes it helps to calm things down a bit...

I for one would like to see you continue to post here, given the fact that so few women stop in on a regular basis (gee I wonder why). I for one like to hear how women from other countries deal with things in thailand, how much longer are you planning on staying?

Sorry guys but she does sound interesting to me, no I'm not trying to get on her good side, but I do enjoy having a varied mix of people around and so my post is sincere.

 

[katie.]

I think it is difficult for a Western girl, lil, to completely understand the scene...

The biggest difference between a TG, BG and a "Western hooker", is that the Thai girls not only provide se*, but make you spend a nice time with them outside the bed.

Yes, they care about money, don't we all. But if they spent a longer time with a nice fellow, the money they get every day is less important.

I had a fight about this with a ex Norvegian gf. She thought it was disgusting going with Thai prostitutes! For her every Thai girl is one and we are in her eye ordinary Wh*re-visitors!

So although I certainly not agree with EGIT, she IS a Western woman.

But I am sure, that if she meet some Bm's in MT bar in a few days, she will be suprised what a kind bunch of fellows we are.....
:biggrinlo

And again making peace, making love is so much better then anything!

 

[Desk3Bound]

I find all this talk about how disgusting old people are to be somewhat disturbing to me. It smacks of ageism. To be worthy of someone's attention and care, must one one be young and beautiful? Do you feel sorry for the woman, when you see a fat old man walk down the street with his fat old wife, and think about what she may do with him in bed? Do you feel sorry for him as well, since he also sleeps with an old, wrinkled lady? Is it some kind of sin these days to get old? We will all be old someday. You talk as if that fact never occurred to you. Is there no beauty and worthiness in people but that which we can see with our eyes, and touch with our hands?





It is realism not ageism and it works both ways. When I see an old couple it is beautiful, they obviously have been in love and grown old together, love conquers a lot and to spend ones life with someone is a lot different than spending a night with that person. Women have always been discarded when they get older, spend tons of money on products and therapies to stay young, not only in the west but in Thailand too. For a long time older men could get away with getting old and still pulling because in the west we once also had a society similar to Thailand does now where money and financial security were placed on a higher value. Anyone who says they looked at Anna Nicole Smith and said. "Oh isn't that lovely she is in love with that very old man, it's beautiful" is fooling themselves. You're also fooling yourself if you do not see a clear cut double standard even here on this board. I like younger guys, and fortunatelty can pull them, but I am referred to as "an old slapper" "old enough to be his mum" etc. At the same time the overreaction to my postings alluding to bad looks or age having a big part of the bg scene and the necessity for it is met with defensiveness and anger...why, because men do not like being judged on the same premises they judge women. How many of these men come here and go off with the older bgs? The fat bgs? The wrinkled bgs?

Your last line, "is there no worthiness..." is a beautiful line but completely irrelevant to the bg scene. I do not think either party is looking that deep. I also think that in a true love situation people are often surprised as to what they love and who they end up with and what reasons they end up with that person. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that saying is very true as someone I find attractive may not appeal to anyone else at all and vice versa.






I thought about it. There are two ways to look at it. 1)be disgusted 2)accept that not everyone shares that reaction, and isn't it a wonderful world, where even a fat, ugly, old man can find a pretty young lady to take his arm, and walk out of the bar, with a glowing smile on her face, quite pleased with his company and not at all trepiditious about the events the night will bring later on(going to bed with him). Is it a terrible thing that he can find such pleasure and comfort in his declining years? Or is it a wonderful thing, that there are young ladies such as Oh, who are pleased to be in his company for the evening?





Again, she is getting paid for it. It is her job and I have noticed Thais do their jobs with 110% of their heart. I can be disgusted but I accept that it goes on. I wonder on the other hand how you, or many men would feel, to see a fit young Thai man walking out of a bar with a women twic his size weighing three or four times as much and wrinkled from head to toe in the same situation? Would you really still think it was so beautiful? Or perhaps would you accept it happens but think how fortunate you are that you do not have to do that? How many old ladies have you slept with Jaybee?




Finally, your story about your mother is heartwarming, but look at your first reaction. Also, she is your mother, there is a different and long standing bond. I also agree that it is great that not everyone is easily disgusted. I think prostitutes fit into a category with the likes of people that work in old age homes, nurses, podiatrists etc. They perform a service not many people can handle. In Amsterdam I knew a guy who was so unattractive that most people found it unappetising. I had a lot of sympathy for the fact that he likely would never have sex if not for prostitutes....but everyone I knew joked about the "poor prostitutes" that had to service him. This is the niche that prostitution fills nicely though.

I also want to say, that for me a lot of why I like much younger guys and asian men has to do with the above and the double standard I mentioned. In the west many guys my age do not take care of their bodies, get very hairy, have beer bellies or are just overweight and out of shape, yet they still believe it is their right to be with attractive fit women. If I am going to stay in shape I want my partner to do the same and I want a physical standard to be equal to that I hold myself to.

 

[Doctrine Man]

Heywood, thanks for your post! At risk of getting lynched when I come down to Phuket I will not be posting a pic at this time!!!!!

I wish it were so easy as just being here on holiday, I am not. I have been sent here on an assignment. What nobody seems to take into account is that Thailand is SOOO much more than BG's and the sex scene. Just because I do not like that does not mean that I do not like Thailand, on the contrary, I lOVE IT! I also am partial to asian men, so I have no problems there either. In fact Thai men are hotties and there looks stay quite good a lot longer...no offence guys as it is also true for us girls too, white genes just aint the best....

In response to another poster, I am not provoking anyone. The thing is that I am in a catch 22 because I like more casual places, I hate pretentious people and crowds, and yes I have found all the "nice posh" middle class bars here. But I am more like a hang out at the pub get pissed out my brains and chat to the lads type of girl. I also like going out and dancing and getting pissed and that is why I have this kind of problem. I am not the sip martini type...so the posh places also don't suit me so well, though I can get along in them. I can also get along in the BG's domain, no probs, I just do not like it so much as I feel like I am sitting in a crossfire in a game I am not playing and do not want to play...if that makes sense to any of you. I don't want to ruin your game, just want to go somewhere I won't feel like I am running over the footie pitch during some critical game point!

 

[prettypriyanka]

I never said I was better than anyone else and I certainly did not say im better than anyone because I have a girlfriend(eh whats that about?). Is prostitution not degrading? I believe it is but dont jump down my neck because I am only DISAGREEING with your obsession.

Looking out for my age so you could point that out huh?

Top marks for assuming absolute CRAP.

 

[lilharibo]

One reason I like younger more enlightened men, not afraid of change and not afraid of women who can think for themselves and share responsibilty rather than yielding to their "man in charge"

 

[Lil Dvl]

What make you think that all BM`s just go to Patong and stay at Bangla road all the time? Lots of BM`s travel around the country and do other things too.If you take your time and read through the forum, you will see that the BG scene is just a part of it all. Ok, lots of the talk here are about the girls, but what can you expect with only guys here...

You also say that you just wanted to ask a question.-.. Why would you start a question by saying that you hate the "scene" there? Why not only ask for some places where you can sit and relax without all bg`s and punters...

Go down to Patong, visit Nicke in MTB and introduce yourself. I can promise that you will be able to sit and chat with Nicke and other guys without anyone bothering you. And no one will "lynch" you... But be careful when Nicke offer you the infamous "Black Death"..

 

[qwerty]

Another reason I prefer young, fit, confident guys, much much more enlightened!

 

[We are all screwed]

What the hell has happened on this forum lately ?? The whole place is turning into a flame fest (not EG's posts that I am pointing out).. It was like this on BKKTonite and the reason I stopped using that forum..

Time for more active moderation ???

 

[Dick Buttkiss]

Is there no beauty and worthiness in people but that which we can see with our eyes, and touch with our hands?

I also think that in a true love situation people are often surprised as to what they love and who they end up with and what reasons they end up with that person. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that saying is very true as someone I find attractive may not appeal to anyone else at all and vice versa.
QUOTE]

I will stand by the sentiment expressed i the first sentence above which is a quote of my text. Personally, I think this is a universal question and applies to all people in all circumstances. We are all human. Being with one person or another person of any age, color, race, or creed does to make us more human or less human.

But I have a few other things that I would like to say to you, eurogirl:

1) I totally agree with the very peceptive observation of the human condition which you made as quoted above. Very nicely stated. Thank you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The man who makes his decisions about the women he goes with or declines to go with based on the opinions and evaluations of his acquaintances is a boy. The man who make his own evaluations based on his own thoughts and feelings in his heart is a man. Are there a lot of boys on this board, or am I getting a wrong impression. As an example, did MikeGB seriously think that I would give any weight to his opinoin whatsoever,when he said some time back, that I should drop the girl I was with because "she is taking the piss out of you," whatever that bizarre statement means. I haven't the slightest notion of what it means, although I assume it is not exactly a recommendation for her, and yet it really doesn't matter, because I think for myself and listen to my own heart, not the rantings of a rather sick person, who based on no relevant personal experience in matters of the heart, has the temerity to advise me!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and when one learns the true meaning of those words, one has passed to a higher level of understanding of himself and of the human condition. Unfortunately, it seems that there are many her among us who will never be so fortunate as to really understand the meaning of those words. I am not sure whether you do or not, Eurogirl, for words are easily spoken, and easily grasped by the mind, but until they are understood deep in your heart, at the very core of your being, they mean very little. Just the same, well said, Egirl, and if you don't have that deeper knowledge now, then I sense that it is not far away, because I think they you are a genuinely sincere seeker of truth.

2) Having said that, I respectfully agree to disagree with some of your other opinions, although I don't think our ideas are really so far apart as they sometimes may seem. We are merely separated by two different catalogs of personal experience, so to speak, each of which lends itself to our viewing the world around of from a decidely different viewpoint. Which brings me to my third point which is:

3) I respect the fact that you attempt to view the world around you in a rational manner, and make a very concerted effort to do that. When you make your points they are well thought out, well expressed, and usually backed up by a consistent thread of logic. You rarely, if ever, stoop to name-calling or other cheap tactics which are generally used by those who, in their frustration at being unable to adequately express their views, resort to personal attacks, rather than making any real case for ideas and opinions.

Thank you for your contributions to the discussions on this board. I think it is always good to have someone express a diverse, and controversial(to the men here) line of thought whic is contrary to the assumptions that most of us go on here, all of us bringing the male experience to our opinions. It is good to have someone shake up the status quo, because it makes us think a little harder, and not take accepted idesa for granted, adhering to what, at times, amounts to a party line. IMHO, whether we agree with you or disagree with you, that is a significant contribution.

JayBee

 

[Socrates]

I think what was attempted to be pointed out earlier was in your posts you spoke of being monogamous, treating her as a GF, being upset when she was not meeting appoinments, you even occasionally called it 'love', etc..

At the same time you expessed hints that you suspected she was short timing around, continually paid for her services, kept her and her mates in drinks (no real sin but it can go too far), had reports from trusted friends that she was seen kissing other guys, other BM's have even tried to let you know she was taking ST's and offered one BM to ST them (in your room ??) while you were online (so the posts went)..

That would sound to an outside observer as the classic 'expecting too much from the wrong girl'.. Others may call it having the piss taken out of you.. Etc..

Again to (this) outside observer it didnt seem to leave much to interpretation or guesswork..

 

[Gavin]

I hear what you are saying, Sefton. I don't see anything wrong with paying a girl 1000 Baht a day. It is not as if I was living there. Just on an extended holiday, you know. As far as drinks go, what people ignore is the number of drinks that her friends bought me. I would say we were pretty close to even most of the time. Not that there is anything wrong with buying drinks for acquaintances, but not more than on one occasion did I ever buy more than one drink for a friend of hers. One girl I once bought two drinks for! As to short timing, there was never any specific proof offered that she ACTUALLY did any short time ever with anyone during the time I spent with her. That is a fact. Maybe she did and maybe she didn't and i don't suppose I'll ever know for sure, but she vehemently denied it, and I chose to give her the benefit of the doubt. My choice. Up to me. The allegation of her kissing a guy in the bar came from an unimpeachable source. I didn't really think that it was a big deal, but I did confront the girl about it. She admitted it readily, did not attempt to deny it, and said it wouldn't happen again. It didn't.

One of the issues on this board, which is never discussed, a dirty little secret of this board, so to speak, is the problem of alcoholism. This is swept under the rug with a wink and a nod, and a "no problem, we all like to tip a few" attitude. But, in the real world, which is where we all live, incidentally, adult disneyland, notwithstanding, alcoholism is a huge problem, and probably more so in Patong than any place I have ever experienced in my life. No one on this board knows that girl better than I, in spite of what some may now say, and the only reason that she was the wrong girl for me is that she is an alcoholic. She has a very serious problem with alcoholism. All of the problems I encountered with her came at the end of a long night of drinking. After she had a few hours to sleep it off, for the rest of the day and until midnight, she was a completely different person.

No one saw the other side of her. No one cared about that person. But I did. Did I ever fall in love with her? No. I didn't allow myself, because I could see the problems developing, and did not want to get in too deep. But the girl I knew between 9:00 AM and past midnight was a very sweet person. I enjoyed that time spent with her more than with any other girl on this tour. In some ways, I enjoyed it more than anytime I have spent with anyone since the early years of my marriage. I was totally comfortable with her, more so than any TG I've known. And she was totally comfortable with me. The vibe between us when we were alone during the day was really quite wonderful and we both felt it.

People criticize her looks. Means nothing to me. In fact, I wasn't impressed by her looks the day I met her or the first few days I spent with her. But the longer I knew her, the more I was looking at her as a person and not a piece of meat or a trophy and then I began gradually, more and more each day to like the way she looks. This is exactly the thing which Eurogirl points out in her post. Ultimately, if you do bond with a person, it is best if that bond is not heavily based on the way she looks, because, let's face it, looks often don't last. But, if you are lucky, love does. I would not have spent long hours with her every day for a month if I did not have some feelings for her. I wouldn't be much of a human being if I didn't develop some feelings, having shared the degree of intimacy we did over that length of time. But it never reached the level of where I seriously considered any substantial commitment of my heart or my resources.

The bottom line was that I had a great time. In a weird way, all the controversy swirling around us for a while just pushed us closer together, and made the relationship more exciting. The primary reason I could not and did not get closer to her than I did was because, due to her alcoholism(which is a serious disease if you weren't aware of that), she experienced a distinct personality change when under the influence of alcohol. I feel really sorry for her, if she doesn't receive treatment for this problem, because I am afraid of where it will lead her. It is extremely self-destructive behavior, and it pretty much destroyed any chance we may have had for a lasting relationship(although oddly enough not a single person has expressed one iota of interest in what happened to the relationship between us although they were all previously so keen to inject their directives into our private matters). Gee, thanks, guys, it's great to feel so loved. With friends like that.....

But the bottom line is "Did you have an enjoyable holiday?" Well, I am here to tell you that it was a fantastic holiday and the last month was the best time of all, and it's not even close when compared to the first 8 weeks of butterflying. The great moments, the high moments, were so much more numerous, and so far surpassed the low points, that it will always stand in my memory as one of the memorable times in my life. I will forget all the other girls. But when I think of my fourth tour of LOS, I will always think of her and look back fondly on the quiet moments we spent alone together. I took the good with the bad. Life is like that. No regrets! Well, maybe one, and that has to do with the final day I spent with her, my final day in LOS. But no one but she and I(and, perhaps, her confidants) will ever know what happened on that day, because my lips are sealed.

JayBee

 

[DayiTh!nkz Bill ist Sexxi]

Go to Krabbi almost no P4P scene and the beaches are much more beautiful. On the down side it tends to be a bit family or couples.