What about Indonesia?

I heard that the Balinese still hold on to their soft nature, and it is the non-Balinese (migrating from Java,so I heard) that has 'ruined' the real Balinese atmosphere in Bali.

But I also believe, there are some bad eggs in Balinese themselves, and combined by non-locals bad nature, it changes Bali to worse nowadays.

I heard that the governor of the island has threatened to disintegrate from Indonesia if Bali is forced to enforce some of Shariah (Islamic) law there. Manado (North Sulawesi) also did the same thing.
 

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I would strongly suggest that the two in the original photo are katoeys, unlike the latest posting, who looks delightful.
 

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eur11, We were actually planning on going back to Bali but the airlines are making it pretty hard to get there which is why we are going to Thailand.

I thought the Balinese sense of humour was the best.

We were walking down a small lane way when a shopkeeper asked me if the young girl with was my daughter (which she was) and then asked if I wanted a Balinese son-in-law. This cracked me up but the look on my 14 year old was priceless.:eek:
 

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Wonderdog there are plenty of cheap packages to Bali at the moment.....

Where have you been looking?

richone. delightful is an understatement, she is wonderful 555555
 

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Checked out Flightcentre and Jetstar and some other travel agents. After reading about jetstar's not so great service on balitravelforum but I found most meant going via Sydney or Melbourne.

I chase to cheap packages and just extend the return flight then find your own accom for the balance. Stayed in Seminyak in a 2 bedromm villa with our own pool and housekeeper for ten days, cheaper then a hotel/resort when taking the family.
 

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Mate you can do better..... go have a good look somewhere esle and post your findings here. U should be able to go via Syd only but make sure u dont carry a boogie bag...............sweet, let me know how u go

Come on.........if u want some help pm me
 

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oh BTW good forum it is balitravel, should answer all ur Q's
 

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There's a place called Pankor Laot (or Laouk)-Emerald Bay in the Straits of Malacca,that looks worth a visit.Think it belongs to Malaysia.That whole area looks idyllic to me,and maybe a better option for land ownership than Thailand or Indo...
 

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My thoughts too Richone ....

Once saw a National Geographic programe where had some serious academic researcher finding they have 5 'sexes' in some parts of Indon ... so katoey problem there as well :( .
 
thin white duke,

it's called pangkor laut.
it's part of malaysia.
haven't been there yet but it's supposed to be very nice (for couples)


cheers M.
 
Thanks Dr M,are you a permanent resident in Malaysia? Is it a bit more 'farang friendly' than Thailand as far as land ownership,visa's,financial risk goes?

Cheers in advance
 
no worries duke!

yes, i am permanent resident but on tourist visa as my business is internet based and i cannot get working permit so easy but still possible if you have connections.
i think malaysia is much more farang friendly for investing money and visa matters, yes.
you get tourist visa on arrival for free and can stay 3 months. i do this 4,5 years already, no problems ever. you can also do the "malaysia my second home" program. i think you have to deposit about 200 000 ringit (2 million baht) in a bank here then you can stay forever without visa runs.
for me it's no problem at all to leave every 3 months (phuket only 1 hour flight) and airasia has it's hub here...
buy property also no problem. i think only rule is that prop has to be worth more than 200 000 ringit (45 000 euros) but not sure bout that.
well, the downside here is the high price of alcohol and not so many working girls than thai. the p4p scene is no comparison to los, of course. well, i just took indonesian lady from beach club last night---nice!!! but more expensive (2500 baht) i also feel that thai people are more friendly and smile more than here. in general thai is more fun!
advaneforum.xxxe here: it's easier here to find "quality girls" as education level is higher , i think. but not so sure as i only go to thailand for holiday and BG's :-)
i really like TG's a lot but here you can get malay, indian, chinese, philipinas, indonesian...
KL is not as stressful as bangkok. traffic still ok.
food is way better than thai.
but to be honest, i think about moving to other country as i get a bit bored after 4 years here :-)

cheers M.
 
I'm not that fussy and would be quite 'happy' with either in the pic.... I would like to go to Indonesia. Looks like a hell of a place to visit... I would prefer to do Cambodia first tho.... After that I will definatly consider Indonesia.
 
Pitty about the north taht nobody goes too. Lovina Beach is beautiful, quite afew spots where nobody goes - you can have streches of beach to your self. And over on Lombok - if you like to surf, take the Boogie Board (with or with out party acessories) cus you will find great break. Lombok locals are la very high perceneforum.xxxe muslum, so they will leave the waves for you, but they will 'spit' on you if you walk past them, so yeh - I don't go to Bali or lombok any more, Might go back in a few years to check it out again, but I found Thailand, just so much better, especially the FOOD!

A-ROY-MUK MUK !
 
Marine park is what you mean I guess? Bunaken is meant to be great diving, but there is another place if you're around that area: the Togean islands. They're in Tomini Bay, the big bay surrounded by North Sulawesi. The diving is awesome, and you stay on a remote island with very few facilities - it's not for all but we spent six months there running the diving for one of the resorts and thought it was beautiful. Power is on generators so only on from 6pm to about 10:30pm, no internet, no landline phones, mobile reception just appeared when we were there almost a year ago. It's a real desert island destination. The diving is at least as good as Bunaken, with fewer people getting in your way and great viz most of the time. Also great for losing weight as the diet is fish and rice :) We both shed about 10 kg in six months... no junk food or munchies.

Everyone says the people in Manado are the most beautiful in Indonesia, I've heard ot from the locals as well as from westerners :) And yes, as sad as it may sound, I too felt safer there just because it's mostly Christian. Not that westerners are usually targeted but even so, Central Sulawesi made me a little nervous.

I'd like to go back sometime and 'do' Lombok, the Gilis, Komodo, Papua... but we'll see if/when we have a chance.
 
:ytounge: :biggrinlo ahahahaha


Yes, if you are more into seeing the scenery and 'low profile' night life, there are quite a few places in Indonesia you can visit, apart from Bali.


Lombok is beautiful, and yes, just watch out for the population is Moslem majority.




Whoa! You know more than I do, in this case! :) I went to Manado once, and only for 2 nights. I have some friends there who showed me around in between my hectic work schedule.
 
In a word, NO

Having said that there are some lovely ones around but generally not as many as in LOS, IMHO
 
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    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: ๐Ÿ’–Angela, ๐Ÿ’–Olivia, ๐Ÿ’–Lisa and ๐Ÿ’–Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  35. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Tuesday June 3, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๏ธ, Christina ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Cici ๐Ÿค—, Ivy ๐Ÿ˜, Monica ๐Ÿฅฐ and Connie ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  36. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Monday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Top Star Jenny, ๐Ÿ†• Elsa, Coco, Eva, Cindy, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, Jenny, JPN Yui & Juliet โ€” ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  38. gold__rose__spa:
    ๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿต1536 Warden Avenue Monday,โฃโค Ada,๐Ÿ’‹ a beautiful Korean girl, super fit, slim, but good bust, beautiful, great service+ ๐Ÿต ๐Ÿ’ž ๐Ÿ“ด647 346-8076๐Ÿ“ด
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  40. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair mina smile,beautiful strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience amazing body slide โค๏ธnice Vietnamese Amy open mind,everything she can do,really popular girl,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŽˆ๐Ÿ‘
  41. Withme_Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’•โฃ4386 Sheppard Avenue east ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’˜Monday, ๐Ÿ’—โฃ๐Ÿ’‹ Cici, ๐Ÿ’—tall and slim, nice personality, pretty, very good pressure point treatment and over the top finish technique..๐Ÿ’‹โฃ Natalia, โคa full body Spanish lady, curvy, beautiful, awesome treatment and memorable finish ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’‹โ€ŠEva, ๐Ÿ’–curvy, beautiful, awesome treatment and memorable finish . ๐Ÿ’ž Jessica,๐Ÿ’‹ slim, and sexy body, very pretty. High energy session ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ”‹416 297-7488๐Ÿ”‹
  42. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  43. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. JESSICA is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs, curvy, soft white skin
  44. lemon_tree:
    ๐Ÿ’›๐Ÿ’•a discreet entrance to 4155 Sheppard Avenue east, unit 201๐Ÿ’—โฃ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’–Monday, ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’‹ Carmen,๐Ÿ’‹ (Candy) โฃbeautiful, dark hair to shoulder, tall and slim but busty, and does very relaxing treatment with over the top finish. *Also goes by Lily. ๐Ÿ’‹โฃ๐Ÿ“ž647 348-2899๐Ÿ“ž
  45. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (11AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  46. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  47. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services... Cindy
  49. EMSpa_schedule:
    ๐ŸŒนWe're waiting for you!๐ŸŒน Today (Monday), our amazing attendants are Ivy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Lucy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿ˜˜, Mia ๐Ÿค— and Sophie ๐Ÿคฉ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, LINDA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! LINDA is a sweet Vietnamese honey with great skills. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with
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