What about Indonesia?

I heard that the Balinese still hold on to their soft nature, and it is the non-Balinese (migrating from Java,so I heard) that has 'ruined' the real Balinese atmosphere in Bali.

But I also believe, there are some bad eggs in Balinese themselves, and combined by non-locals bad nature, it changes Bali to worse nowadays.

I heard that the governor of the island has threatened to disintegrate from Indonesia if Bali is forced to enforce some of Shariah (Islamic) law there. Manado (North Sulawesi) also did the same thing.
 

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I would strongly suggest that the two in the original photo are katoeys, unlike the latest posting, who looks delightful.
 

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eur11, We were actually planning on going back to Bali but the airlines are making it pretty hard to get there which is why we are going to Thailand.

I thought the Balinese sense of humour was the best.

We were walking down a small lane way when a shopkeeper asked me if the young girl with was my daughter (which she was) and then asked if I wanted a Balinese son-in-law. This cracked me up but the look on my 14 year old was priceless.:eek:
 

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Wonderdog there are plenty of cheap packages to Bali at the moment.....

Where have you been looking?

richone. delightful is an understatement, she is wonderful 555555
 

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Checked out Flightcentre and Jetstar and some other travel agents. After reading about jetstar's not so great service on balitravelforum but I found most meant going via Sydney or Melbourne.

I chase to cheap packages and just extend the return flight then find your own accom for the balance. Stayed in Seminyak in a 2 bedromm villa with our own pool and housekeeper for ten days, cheaper then a hotel/resort when taking the family.
 

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Mate you can do better..... go have a good look somewhere esle and post your findings here. U should be able to go via Syd only but make sure u dont carry a boogie bag...............sweet, let me know how u go

Come on.........if u want some help pm me
 

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oh BTW good forum it is balitravel, should answer all ur Q's
 

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There's a place called Pankor Laot (or Laouk)-Emerald Bay in the Straits of Malacca,that looks worth a visit.Think it belongs to Malaysia.That whole area looks idyllic to me,and maybe a better option for land ownership than Thailand or Indo...
 

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My thoughts too Richone ....

Once saw a National Geographic programe where had some serious academic researcher finding they have 5 'sexes' in some parts of Indon ... so katoey problem there as well :( .
 
thin white duke,

it's called pangkor laut.
it's part of malaysia.
haven't been there yet but it's supposed to be very nice (for couples)


cheers M.
 
Thanks Dr M,are you a permanent resident in Malaysia? Is it a bit more 'farang friendly' than Thailand as far as land ownership,visa's,financial risk goes?

Cheers in advance
 
no worries duke!

yes, i am permanent resident but on tourist visa as my business is internet based and i cannot get working permit so easy but still possible if you have connections.
i think malaysia is much more farang friendly for investing money and visa matters, yes.
you get tourist visa on arrival for free and can stay 3 months. i do this 4,5 years already, no problems ever. you can also do the "malaysia my second home" program. i think you have to deposit about 200 000 ringit (2 million baht) in a bank here then you can stay forever without visa runs.
for me it's no problem at all to leave every 3 months (phuket only 1 hour flight) and airasia has it's hub here...
buy property also no problem. i think only rule is that prop has to be worth more than 200 000 ringit (45 000 euros) but not sure bout that.
well, the downside here is the high price of alcohol and not so many working girls than thai. the p4p scene is no comparison to los, of course. well, i just took indonesian lady from beach club last night---nice!!! but more expensive (2500 baht) i also feel that thai people are more friendly and smile more than here. in general thai is more fun!
advaneforum.xxxe here: it's easier here to find "quality girls" as education level is higher , i think. but not so sure as i only go to thailand for holiday and BG's :-)
i really like TG's a lot but here you can get malay, indian, chinese, philipinas, indonesian...
KL is not as stressful as bangkok. traffic still ok.
food is way better than thai.
but to be honest, i think about moving to other country as i get a bit bored after 4 years here :-)

cheers M.
 
I'm not that fussy and would be quite 'happy' with either in the pic.... I would like to go to Indonesia. Looks like a hell of a place to visit... I would prefer to do Cambodia first tho.... After that I will definatly consider Indonesia.
 
Pitty about the north taht nobody goes too. Lovina Beach is beautiful, quite afew spots where nobody goes - you can have streches of beach to your self. And over on Lombok - if you like to surf, take the Boogie Board (with or with out party acessories) cus you will find great break. Lombok locals are la very high perceneforum.xxxe muslum, so they will leave the waves for you, but they will 'spit' on you if you walk past them, so yeh - I don't go to Bali or lombok any more, Might go back in a few years to check it out again, but I found Thailand, just so much better, especially the FOOD!

A-ROY-MUK MUK !
 
Marine park is what you mean I guess? Bunaken is meant to be great diving, but there is another place if you're around that area: the Togean islands. They're in Tomini Bay, the big bay surrounded by North Sulawesi. The diving is awesome, and you stay on a remote island with very few facilities - it's not for all but we spent six months there running the diving for one of the resorts and thought it was beautiful. Power is on generators so only on from 6pm to about 10:30pm, no internet, no landline phones, mobile reception just appeared when we were there almost a year ago. It's a real desert island destination. The diving is at least as good as Bunaken, with fewer people getting in your way and great viz most of the time. Also great for losing weight as the diet is fish and rice :) We both shed about 10 kg in six months... no junk food or munchies.

Everyone says the people in Manado are the most beautiful in Indonesia, I've heard ot from the locals as well as from westerners :) And yes, as sad as it may sound, I too felt safer there just because it's mostly Christian. Not that westerners are usually targeted but even so, Central Sulawesi made me a little nervous.

I'd like to go back sometime and 'do' Lombok, the Gilis, Komodo, Papua... but we'll see if/when we have a chance.
 
:ytounge: :biggrinlo ahahahaha


Yes, if you are more into seeing the scenery and 'low profile' night life, there are quite a few places in Indonesia you can visit, apart from Bali.


Lombok is beautiful, and yes, just watch out for the population is Moslem majority.




Whoa! You know more than I do, in this case! :) I went to Manado once, and only for 2 nights. I have some friends there who showed me around in between my hectic work schedule.
 
In a word, NO

Having said that there are some lovely ones around but generally not as many as in LOS, IMHO
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’– MakeIt Monday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– your ultimate destination for luxury Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville. ๐ŸŒŽ๐ŸŒ9 stunning Girls from China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” 34D Suki, Cindy, ๐Ÿ‰Queen Selena, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, JPN Yui, RMT Miya & ๐Ÿ†•Jessica โ€” ๐Ÿง˜โ€โ™€โœจTable Shower special on ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐLet the fun times roll, baby!๐Ÿ™Œ
  32. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness, new young petite girl Yumiko, Jenny, Crystal, Doris, Ocean, Crystal, Queenie, Ella @6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  33. Newspring@:
    โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅsexy hot Latino ๐ŸŒนViennese ๐ŸŒนKorean ๐ŸŒนgirls working at Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ Nu Spring Spa Unit 7, 15 Karachi Dr Markham, ON L3S 0B5 ๐Ÿ“ž416-800-4088 text 416-669-8508
  34. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Angela ๐Ÿ”ฅ is here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ Angela is a Beautiful & Petite Young Chinese Girl ๐Ÿ’‹ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’„ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  35. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Kelly ,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  36. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  37. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ˜welcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,๐Ÿ’„Mina is very friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„ new girl Mimi very good looking,big breasted service queen,girl friend experience,๐Ÿ’„Amy is long hair Vietnamese girl,open maid,she can do everything you want,must try,๐Ÿท๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ‘call416-5000-800๐Ÿ’„
  38. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Tiana & Nayla are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„ Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ’„Tiana is a Beautiful Jamaican. Talented ๐Ÿ’‹Very Sexyโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ‘ Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  39. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธIvy๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธBrandyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  40. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA & HELLEN. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  41. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa, : HOLLY (11am-9pm) : is a young, pretty, slim & busty yoga instructor from Vietnam, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups. She has top services, bbbj ,cim, pussy slide, 69, SF2, water flute. Donโ€™t miss out! JULIA from Philippines, young girl, busty, E cup, curvy short body, cute face
  42. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type Vietnamese School Girl She is 5โ€™ 2โ€ tall, 98 Lbs With D Cup Melons Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl โ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  43. See You Health Center:
    Lin Very Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  44. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  45. Forever Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’Ž๐Ÿ’Ž๐Ÿ’Ž We provide the BEST TABLE SHOWER IN TOWN: Clean room with reliable warm shower nozzle ๐Ÿ’Ž Ruby & Lisa (new) and Cindy are available ๐Ÿ’Ž 2190 Warden ๐Ÿ’Ž 416-800-7887 ๐Ÿ’Ž
  46. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Rose๐ŸŒน - A sexy new addition to our lin
  47. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Monday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & Tiny Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. Tiny LALA is an unbelievably good Superstar SPINNER, only 5โ€™2โ€ and 95 pounds beautiful face
  48. ASPA:
    ๐— ๐—ข๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is slim and attractive
  49. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Lisa, Ruby & Cindy. Lisa is a young, slim, friendly & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice 34D boobs, slim waist, impressive booty, nice massage, great services. RUBY is Singaporean, very slim, petite & sexy, speaks English well, & has great services.
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Lily 25โ€™s with curive body open mind and young sweet slime Yuki 30โ€™s open mind , young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks 34 DD and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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