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[Hornet]

What would be the objective for Russia to win over Ukraine or vice versa?

It’s a long complicated answer. But this link helps

Why does Russia want Ukraine?

A University of Rochester expert on international conflicts explains some of the reasons behind Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine.

www.rochester.edu

Putin was not happy with the fall of the Soviet Union and wants to re-establish that system or replicate it on some other fashion so long as it is an autocratic system and not democratic. From a timing perspective, Russia invaded Crimea and Eastern Ukraine back in 2014 and has been at war, without ever declaring war, ever since. The West stood back for the most part. With Trump working to weaken NATO and threatening to get out altogether Putin felt more emboldened that he could invade and NATO and the West would sit back again. Second, Putin’s own existence and control of power is based on Autocratic rule. With more and more Democratic systems appearing right on his doorstep the offers visible alternatives to the Russian people that might question autocratic rule and Putin maintaining power. The fact that many of those are NATO countries right on his borders that puts more pressure on him and raises tensions.




Ukraine wants democratic rule and to join NATO. They were invaded and are fighting on their own land to repel the invaders and recapture the lands lost in 2014. This gives the Ukrainians a big advantage. When you fight for you own lands you will fight harder and never give up because where else will you go.

It will be a long war and one of attrition. So long as Ukraine can keep getting ammunition and weapons from the West, it is only a matter of time before Russia loses. The more troops and equipment Russia loses and cannot replace, the weaker they become elsewhere.

 

[Hornet]

 

[Deleted member 101953]

It’s a long complicated answer. But this link helps

Why does Russia want Ukraine?

A University of Rochester expert on international conflicts explains some of the reasons behind Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine.

www.rochester.edu

Putin was not happy with the fall of the Soviet Union and wants to re-establish that system or replicate it on some other fashion so long as it is an autocratic system and not democratic. From a timing perspective, Russia invaded Crimea and Eastern Ukraine back in 2014 and has been at war, without ever declaring war, ever since. The West stood back for the most part. With Trump working to weaken NATO and threatening to get out altogether Putin felt more emboldened that he could invade and NATO and the West would sit back again. Second, Putin’s own existence and control of power is based on Autocratic rule. With more and more Democratic systems appearing right on his doorstep the offers visible alternatives to the Russian people that might question autocratic rule and Putin maintaining power. The fact that many of those are NATO countries right on his borders that puts more pressure on him and raises tensions.

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Ukraine wants democratic rule and to join NATO. They were invaded and are fighting on their own land to repel the invaders and recapture the lands lost in 2014. This gives the Ukrainians a big advantage. When you fight for you own lands you will fight harder and never give up because where else will you go.

It will be a long war and one of attrition. So long as Ukraine can keep getting ammunition and weapons from the West, it is only a matter of time before Russia loses. The more troops and equipment Russia loses and cannot replace, the weaker they become elsewhere.

Do you feel this could be a very long war like Vietnam or Afghanistan?

 

[Hornet]

Do you feel this could be a very long war like Vietnam or Afghanistan?

Oh yeah.

It’s always harder to attack then defend. In military science they say to successfully attack a defender you need to have at least a 3-to-1 superiority in numbers to be successful. But, you can’t just attack, you have to hold so that means reinforcements. Russia is laying minefields (anti-tank mines and anti-personal mines) that will need to be cleared. But before an attack, Ukraine needs to either control the air or make it even otherwise Russian jets and drones can take out those advancing tanks. That is why they want the F-16 that is both air-to-air and air-to-ground. To help keep Russian jets under control or attack Russian tanks and defenses on the ground. Ukraine needs to keep softening the enemy. Take out their air defence, radar, artillery systems, rocket launchers and the ships in the Black Sea that can fire missiles at a rate faster than they can replace them. Also, winter is coming. Tanks don’t do well in the mud (Spring and Late Fall). Best time to attack with tanks is when the ground is firm. So, mid winter before the melt of summer after the ground is not muddy. The F-16s won’t be ready to support a 2024 winter attack. So, don’t expect any major push until Summer/Fall 2024 or Winter 2025.

 

[Hornet]

This is the Flakpamzer Gepard . It is a Germany designed anti-aircraft artillery system designed in the 1960s and went into service in 1976. It fires 35mm shells. The chassis is based on the Leopard 1 Tank. In the 2000s countries started to phase out this weapon system and focus more on MANPAD (man portable air defence) systems like the Stinger missile as it was cheaper. In Ukraine, many more small cheaper drones are being sent to attack Ukraine. The 35mm shell itself is only a few dollars for each round. Earlier this year, Rheinmetall won a contract to produce 300,000 rounds. Delivery started in September

Rheinmetall

Rheinmetall's first shipment of new ammunition for the Gepard antiaircraft tank is now headed for Ukraine.

www.rheinmetall.com

 

[Deleted member 101953]

This is the Flakpamzer Gepard . It is a Germany designed anti-aircraft artillery system designed in the 1960s and went into service in 1976. It fires 35mm shells. The chassis is based on the Leopard 1 Tank. In the 2000s countries started to phase out this weapon system and focus more on MANPAD (man portable air defence) systems like the Stinger missile as it was cheaper. In Ukraine, many more small cheaper drones are being sent to attack Ukraine. The 35mm shell itself is only a few dollars for each round. Earlier this year, Rheinmetall won a contract to produce 300,000 rounds. Delivery started in September

Rheinmetall

Rheinmetall's first shipment of new ammunition for the Gepard antiaircraft tank is now headed for Ukraine.

www.rheinmetall.com

So wait, I don't get it. Can Ukraine afford these tanks and how will it help them gain an advantage against the Russians?

 

[Hornet]

So wait, I don't get it. Can Ukraine afford these tanks and how will it help them gain an advantage against the Russians?

Ukraine isn’t buying military equipment, NATO countries are donating what Ukraine needs to fight Russia.

The are one of the systems protecting Ukrainian command and control centres by shooting down attacks from the air left right and centre. Once Ukraine is ready to attack, having these on the battlefield will help protect the tanks from air attacks.

Russia has targeted Ukrainian power plants to cut of power and heat to Ukraine in the winter. This system helps protect those power plants.

Ukraine primes air defences for new Russian winter assault on power grid

Ukrainian air defence crews are banking on newer and better weapons systems to help prevent their country being plunged into darkness again in a second winter of Russian missile and drone strikes.

www.reuters.com

 

[Deleted member 101953]

Ukraine isn’t buying military equipment, NATO countries are donating what Ukraine needs to fight Russia.

The are one of the systems protecting Ukrainian command and control centres by shooting down attacks from the air left right and centre. Once Ukraine is ready to attack, having these on the battlefield will help protect the tanks from air attacks.

Russia has targeted Ukrainian power plants to cut of power and heat to Ukraine in the winter. This system helps protect those power plants.

Ukraine primes air defences for new Russian winter assault on power grid

Ukrainian air defence crews are banking on newer and better weapons systems to help prevent their country being plunged into darkness again in a second winter of Russian missile and drone strikes.

www.reuters.com

Whoa...just saw the vid. What a tank! Didn't Germany updated the tanks to 2020s standards though? They've been around since the 1960's-70s..

 

[carlosbanana]

Whoa...just saw the vid. What a tank! Didn't Germany updated the tanks to 2020s standards though? They've been around since the 1960's-70s..

wow. you fucking got a lot to say dont you?

 

[Deleted member 101953]

wow. you fucking got a lot to say dont you?

That's right sherlock..You gonna stop now and suck my fucking negro dick ya fucking thirsty rat prick motherfucker!

 

[carlosbanana]

That's right sherlock..You gonna stop now and suck my fucking negro dick ya fucking thirsty rat prick motherfucker!

you got a negro dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 101953]

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[carlosbanana]

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hey negro

 

[carlosbanana]

That's right sherlock..You gonna stop now and suck my fucking negro dick ya fucking thirsty rat prick motherfucker!

Im going to say for ur dumb ass - who da fuck believes ur posts??????? - let alone... believes you??
ur posts are pathetic! and ur the anti trump>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ha ha ha - lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets do this thing!

 

[carlosbanana]

Im going to say for ur dumb ass - who da fuck believes ur posts??????? - let alone... believes you??
ur posts are pathetic! and ur the anti trump>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ha ha ha - lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets do this thing!
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what happened gilfman? huh!!!!!
you can carry a clock right? cuz thats your job?
sorry 38 mu]=y mistake> answer dumb fuck>>>><
are you canadian?

 

[carlosbanana]

That's right asshole..Now stfu and suck on it like a good lil thirsty dick fuck. Stupid fucker!

wallt the fuck disney??? huh!!!!

 

[SamPerkins]

Shut down your government

Fund Ukraine's...

This will fry normie brains Many have already awoken to this money laundering scam but this will go a long way in waking up many more.

Beautiful disaster

 

[Hornet]

 

[jimmyd]

Poor hornet still believes this is about war.

It’s all about the money. It’s so plain to see, but he can’t see it.


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[Hornet]

Ukrainian captured Russian tank breaks down. So they called technical support in Russia and they actually helped. All captured on video

A Ukrainian Officer’s Captured Russian Tank Wasn’t Working. So He Called Tech Support—In Russia.

When a Ukrainian tanker with the callsign 'Kochevnik' ran into problems with his captured Russian T-72B3, he called Uralvagonzavod tech support in Russia.

www.forbes.com