Zdeno Chara hit on Pacioretty

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http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2011/03/09/17550286.html

I have watched it over and over and I agree with the leagues decision that it was a clean hit. Montreal fans are belly aching but I believe the problem lies more with the arena having stanchions than Chara intentionally attempting to injure a much smaller player. It's a very poor and dangerous design.

I hope the league doesn't cave into some of the bleeding hearts and try to eliminate the hard hitting. The game is so much more faster now that they have eliminated the clutch and grabbing making the hits and collisions more violent. Maybe they can bring back a little clutching without the grabbing to slow things down a bit.
 
You like the hard hitting eh?

How about the 78 concussions they have had in the NHL so far this season?

Is it worth it?
 
I agree it was a clean hit, just finishing off his check. The problem lies with the "turnbuckle" structure atop the boards.

There was a similar hit by Tom Laidlaw on Al Iafrate quite a few years ago:

See video at 1:20

[video=youtube;8_LgKnYVj4w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_LgKnYVj4w&feature=related[/video]
 
Hockey is a mans sport. The problem is the players are bigger and faster with what seems like armoured plated equipment. I play twice a week in a league and some boys love to rough it up. The difference is we can't skate at 80 miles an hour.

I agree with Chunky and Regular Joe about the arena boards design being the cause of this particular incident.
 
So here's a novel idea, why not keep the lower body protection as is but limit the body armour they are allowed to wear from the waist up.

My guess is that with less protection these tough guys like Cooke won't be running everybody that they can line up.

Bringing back the centre line might slow them down a bit too. Of course they could also take out a row of seats around each rink and make for bigger ice surfaces. Not necessarily Olympic size mind you but say half way in between.
 
Interesting idea. As a former Rugby player (who also played some football) I always felt that all that armor that is worn on the shoulders and the helmet only gave players a false sense of security.
 
Well, limiting the protection on the upper body would lead to all sorts of injuries simply from falling, losing an edge, getting hit with the puck, etc.

On the same note then, why not limit the upper body protection on linebackers in the NFL?

They removed the centre ice line to speed UP the game. Now you're talking about slowing it down?

Making the ice surface bigger is just going to allow the players to get more speed up for even harder hits.....What really needs to be done is to do away with the dasher board. The walls should be smooth and seamless to the glass and have all arena glass the same. There is zero reason not to. To me this is just about as bad as having different sized rinks in different cities. No reason for that either.....

Same as the squared off edge at the ends of the benches, there's no reason for that either. The corner could be rounded and the perpendicular wall could be angled to reduce the risk of impact. In fact, the part that Pacioretti hit doesn't even have to be there.....it could be set back a foot from the boards.....To make matters worse he didn't even have the puck. CHaro deserves a couple of game suspensions for that. Now if it was a clean hit, in the middle of the ice on a puck carrier? No problem, he can use his size but to run a guy into a stancion like that.......

When you compile all the hits into one video, they look like a lot. I've watched more game than not where there wasn't any hitting at all let alone big hits like the ones in the video. I don't mind the open ice hits where the puck carrier has his head down. It's the blindside and the clothesline hits that are a problem. Clipping a guy is much worse than hitting him from the side or front.

One more thing on the don cherry video: a LOT of those hits would be penalties now.
 
Bosco I have to admit it man, I love a good hard hitting emotional game. I remember watching Wendal Clark (pit bull) coming across and delivering a bone crunching hit. It brings fans and spectators to their feet all the time.

At the same time the players should have a certain amount of respect of one another and not intentionally attempt to injure but we all know that in any sport, especially fast paced contact sports there will be injuries, they are unavoidable in the real world.

On the other hand poorly designed arenas can easily be avoided and all that is needed are some $$$ and common sense. The same goes with the playerโ€™s equipment, softening them up without reducing reliability should be easily accomplished.

As much as some dislike Don Cherry and dismiss him as a goon loving loud mouth, he actually does make a lot of sense. Some of his suggestions are;

1) soften the shoulder pads,
2) Removing icing, how many get injured racing for the puck?
3) Remove the instigator penalty, then the good players will have protection,
4) he was the first one to start screaming about the poorly designed boards.

I apologize if I'm rambling; I'm still recovering from a hang over

I apologize if I'm rambling, I'm still recovering from a hang over!:party:
 
It's interesting that you bring up Wendel.

I was listening to an interview with him on the radio the other regarding concussions.

He said that when he played the Oilers in his day the only 2 players he had to worry about ''hit wise'' were Semenko and Messier. So 2 players on an entire team.

Today in the NHL he went on to say that there are about 8 or 9 players on each team that can and will try to take you out on a given night.

The reason for the change he went on to state was there was no fear of repercussion as well as the advances in equipment making today's players ''Robo'' (my word) players with absolutely no worry for their own safety as they use their bodies as projectiles against each other.

Putting the red line back in would slow the game down yes. The idea being that a player would not be able to accumulate as much velocity to drive his body through an opponent.

Conversely a bigger ice surface with a centre line would make more room for players to maneuver to hopefully avoid being lined up for tha big concussive blow.

As for tboy assertion that limiting protection would lead to all sorts of injuries simply from falling, losing an edge, getting hit with the puck, etc. Well there were very few of those injuries in the days before they became gladiators so why would that change.

While I'm at it I would do away with those composite sticks as well. Players wouldn't be able to shoot as hard but at the same time the players getting hit with those shots would not sustain the injuries that are happening.

Last of all the goalie equipment needs to standardized and made smaller. they look like Lacrosse goalies out there right now. With the composite sticks gone the goalies would stand a better chance of stopping some of these shots that they can barely see.
 
Interesting points noted by Wendel and it does make a lot of sense.

I don't believe they can ever go back to wooden sticks. You can't stop technology but I would like to see the red line back, removing the stanchions and making the boards more flexible, removing the touch icing and abolishing the instigator rule.
 
Baseball never went to the aluminum bats did they.

Sometimes technology is a bad thing and tradition should be maintained.
 
So, why do you think they made helmets mandatory?

If there wouldn't be more injuries due to misadventure don't you think the players would prefer not to wear as much equipment? Think of how fast and maneuverable they'd be?

I'd go back over the years to the 60's and 70's and read up on the stats for injuries, you might find that more players were injured, and played injured, than they do now.....This chart does show there are more injuries today, but I can't determine if the numbers are adjusted to pre or post expansion stats per capita.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=nhl+i...vns&ei=GE99TZbBJ8jbrAHM2IHNBQ&ved=0CCgQyQEoBQ
 
When did the use of helmets become an issue? Helmets came in during the 30's I believe after the Bailey-shore incident. No dispute from me on their use.

A friend of mine's son is 8 and he was telling me that with his shoulder pads on his shoulders are wider than his. Sorry but that is ridiculous.

Another that I knew played 10 years in the NHL and at 6'4 235lbs he's a pretty big guy but with his upper body pads he is massive. He told me that he would rather go back to the pads of 20 and 30 tears ago across the board.

The reason why is because players who would never think of taking a run at other players now feel invincible with the extra armour they have.

The equipment manufacturers have come out with a ''better'' product but the reality is that the players have exploited this and with bigger bodies on the same size ice surface the game is resembling a pin ball game. Give em an inch and they take a mile.

Remember on coaches corner when Cherry showed an elbow pad to Maclean and then pounded it off the desk. Did you here the thud and Maclean's reaction when Cherry hit him in the head with it.

The harder equipment and the disregard for fellow players has led to many more career ending concussions. Lindros, LaFountaine just to mention a few and it looks like Savard and Crosby are finished as well.
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the
  34. Nu spring spa888:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Germany๐ŸŒธViennese ๐ŸŒธ Korean girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  35. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–HAPPY Friday!!!๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•36D Flora, Echo, Cici, Eva, Coco, JPN Yui, Happy, Cindy, Jasmine & Aaliyah โ€” pamper yourself๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss
  36. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ HELEN (3PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  37. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH (2AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  38. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ LANA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (9PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  39. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  40. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 ladies waiting for you. Two Very Hot ladies (Qiqi & Summer) have returned to Alice spa today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11:30am-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services.
  41. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10to11.ensuit shower room available ๐Ÿ…beautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone.amazing bj๐Ÿ…long hair vietname Amy is very good looking,slim body ,open maid, everything she can provide ๐ŸŒนbeautiful sexy face ,big big boob,strong massage,happy the end,very friendly ,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŒน
  42. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ 3 girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the
  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mimi & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mimi is a nice slim lady with a big bottom, & great oral skills to take you to paradise. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  45. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธSamyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธJessica๐ŸŒธSelina๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธCindy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, LINA & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: KELLY, LINDA, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž KELLY is a young Singaporean lady, slim with C Cups & liberal skills. LINDA is a beautiful young Asian mix girl, 60Kgs with big D Cup boobs with pointy nipples, very friendly, bbbj and many services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE
  49. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Taiwanese Victoria slime 26โ€™s open mind and young flirty Tina 30โ€™s with curly body open mind,young popular Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and pretty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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